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Originally posted by lacedpills System-j = semi-troll. He says very articulate but suspect opinions that no one wants to call him out on.

This. The thinly veiled logical fallacies are plentiful as well.

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Originally posted by srussell0018 I've always had a soft spot for this track. L4C, can you please break down why it's so awesome.

sure although i think his earlier work was much more groundbreaking. He has been consistent but tracks up till that remix he did for Yoji really had no competition and a bunch of people trying to sound like him. I do like the track but it is only a small increment of stuff he has done up till that time. But ya, i don't mind. just give me day or 2.

I don't think he was the best producer to live. But he was damn good. He made tracks that well, if you were ever lucky enough to experience them live in the 2000s, you would understand. In my 15 years going to events, i've never seen people go so hard as they did for a few of his tracks.

Awful dj. Awful hair. Really nice guy. I mean really nice. there seems to be this separation between UK and the rest of europe and USA at the time. As soon as you crossed the pond, i mean everyone knew him. Trance was dead at the time, hard trance was the big thing, and he was the producer that started it. His label at the time was completely mismanaged , Overdose record, i mean it is a catalogue of classic tracks and they managed to go belly up. I think that had alot to do with this weird split.

I would say his masterpiece was O. Not my favourite but from a musical standpoint, i mean the track for the time was ridiculous. Still do this day, i mean there are so few producers where you can name the producer as he just had a unique sound that nobody ever managed to really copy. And that is pretty rare.

System J had a love for that UK hard dance and as shitty as that was, they all saw SCot Project as a god. Every single one of those producers. More of an insult to Zenker but i think it sort of shows that System J's hate is a little more complicated than the producer and his music.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney Don't really want to fight but i would say pioneering 2 genres major genres , hard trance, and hardstyle is more than most could say. Probably 10 producers in EDM could claim to have done that. Scot Project being one of them. in 2000, hard trance was the new thing,

Germans had been doing hard trance long before Scot Project ever made an impact.



1993, mofo.

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wouldn't call that hard trance. Obviously a spin off from hardcore and bigbeat. I mean if you were to talk about heavy metal, sure, it would not of happened if bill haily didn't make rock accessible to white people. But that is kinda a stretch that serves no purpose in this context.

And i wouldn't call that a track anyone remembers or cared about. Being the first to do something is kinda pointless if nobody knows about it or cared and you never influenced anyone.

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LOL. This. shit. Let's all go to an arena in Holland and drop mad drugs.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney wouldn't call that hard trance. Obviously a spin off from hardcore and bigbeat.

You are aware that big beat didn't even exist by '93, right?

And you're saying that Scot Project, a hard trance guy, was not influenced by Komakino, one of the pioneering acts of hard German trance, from which nearly all of the hard dance scene grew from.

Gotcha.

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i think my main point was that everyone is influenced by others and you are basically just going back in time to some artist that nobody remembers. The term didn't exist or become relevant until scot project. If you want to play who done it first, i mean we have to start going back a hundred years because everyone has influences.

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I thought Megara vs DJ Lee was pretty good Hard Trance back in my 2005-2007 days.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney i think my main point was that everyone is influenced by others and you are basically just going back in time to some artist that nobody remembers. The term didn't exist or become relevant until scot project. If you want to play who done it first, i mean we have to start going back a hundred years because everyone has influences.

There was tons of hard trance in the early '90s, mostly made by Germans. Komakino was just one part of it. In fact, here's Scot Project jumping on the bandwagon for his first release. Click here to gain some knowledge on the subject.

Moving on from that, though, probably a significant crossover from the old guard to the new style (nu-NRG, really) was Commander Tom's Are Am Eye:



It has the familiar piano melodies that hard German trance loved to use, but brings in hoovers that NRG made their staple. Oh, and breakdowns.

It was released in 1995, by the way, was a huge tune for hard dance DJs, and still well before you claim Scot Project invented hard trance.

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Woa, L4C doesn't know anything about what he's talking about? Shocking.

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I would say Scot Project helped push the reinvention of hard trance for the new millennium, when a lot of it took on UK NRG tropes and Dutch schlock, but he certainly wasn't a pioneer of hard trance in general.

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