What do you mean by you don't touch the master ever

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney just have a buss acting as a sub master and then you can put whatever you want and still maintain proper decorum when people look at your master out. It is completely semantics but for monitoring reasons, kinda essential, You don't touch the master ever because you lose your reference. Now you don't know how loud things really are. And all that calibration si wasted.

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Originally posted by TE What do you mean by you don't touch the master ever

Exactly what it sounds like. Never. ever touch the master fader. Only amateurs think it's OK to touch the master fader.,

Hmm I guess its good to leave the Master untouched. I never knew I was walking the path of the Jedi order.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN The force is strong with this one. He speaks the truth of the Jedi. Exactly what it sounds like. Never. ever touch the master fader. Only amateurs think it's OK to touch the master fader.,

On what basis someone assumed I touched it?

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney just have a buss acting as a sub master and then you can put whatever you want and still maintain proper decorum when people look at your master out.

I guess I always assumed that this was a given for most people. Most DAWs have the option to show/hide the master output and I personally keep mine hidden all/most of the time, since I never touch it. I create a bus that I name "Master", which is obviously a submaster bus just before the final output stage.

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some people don't use a calibrated system which i guess doesn't matter for anyone that isn't in pro audio were numbers don't really matter. I have never been an engineer like that but it is my OCD that makes me want to know the actual real level of things coming out.

like naming tracks. or organizing stuff. Practical and essential for some and OCD in full effect for others.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN The force is strong with this one. He speaks the truth of the Jedi. Exactly what it sounds like. Never. ever touch the master fader. Only amateurs think it's OK to touch the master fader.,

imo i wouldnt touch any mixer faders, theyre just there for the level metering and solo/mute jamming imo while making/previewing/planning the track. theyre all at 0dB in my songs. all level adjustment is done on the instrument itself or on the last effectbox on the instrument chain. like you do on a dj mixer, the faders and eqs are there for introducing new elements, the actual level is fixed with gain on the input but as many soft mixers doesnt have gain before the mixer fader, i have to do it on instrument which is fine, especially when bouncing or rewiring to other stuff you dont have to adjust shit - all the levels are fine. if you also never add anything on the master, your track is close to universal to all daws via rewire or track bounce.

nope.

seems like a terribly slow way if you want to adjust volume. I would aim for -12dbfs so you have wiggle room and you still have the accuracy most log based displays show at higher levels.

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Originally posted by TranceElevation On what basis someone assumed I touched it?

On what basis do you assume that someone suggested you had?

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Originally posted by Dave I guess I always assumed that this was a given for most people. Most DAWs have the option to show/hide the master output and I personally keep mine hidden all/most of the time, since I never touch it. I create a bus that I name "Master", which is obviously a submaster bus just before the final output stage.

I know what you mean but sadly most people don't realize this, just look at what people are using on the master. Anything other than metering IMO isnt a great idea unless you know exactly what you're doing.

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Originally posted by Dickie some people don't use a calibrated system which i guess doesn't matter for anyone that isn't in pro audio were numbers don't really matter. I have never been an engineer like that but it is my OCD that makes me want to know the actual real level of things coming out. like naming tracks. or organizing stuff. Practical and essential for some and OCD in full effect for others.

Even if you're not running a calibrated system it's good practise, so as not to fuck yourself on gain staging. Once you start screwing with the master fader, you start making dumb decisions regarding the track or group faders.

Once you understand gain staging, touching the master is like making eyes at your gang leader's girl; You better know exactly what you're doing or it's about to get messy for you.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN On what basis do you assume that someone suggested you had?

No offense to TE, but that was funny LOL.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney nope. seems like a terribly slow way if you want to adjust volume. I would aim for -12dbfs so you have wiggle room and you still have the accuracy most log based displays show at higher levels.

i dont mean 0dB as in the level but the position, ie no gain change from the input. they might be around -15dB at the meter to have enough headroom for all the inputs. yes it might seems slow to work this way but its incredibly nice to have all the focus on the instruments only. when i re-use a preset or a loop from a earlier track I know the level is quite right to begin with and might only need some eqing to fit. also Ive ended up with the "same" sound and balance on my latest tracks making it also simpler to compile an entire album without any adjustments. also I can merge songs into one big project and make a flawless continuous mix/album without having to even look at the mixer. and its not really much work doing the gain adjustment on the instrument anyway, because thats where most of my work is anyway (in the making of an instrument sound). i hardly ever look at, or use, the mixer. i use the sequencer and then the instruments rack only. this is in Reason though, not sure I could work like that anywhere else.