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Originally posted by _Ocean_Drive_ I think the cabin-depressurisation theory sounds plausible. Everyone lost consciousness, pilot lent on the yoke (sp?) which made the plane to 45,000 feet then back down and wherever else, next. I've heard that it flew anything from 5 to 8 hours after last comms with ground control. But surely even after that, it would continue to glide for nearly another hour? I followed the AF447 thing almost every week for the 3 years it took to solve, but this might simply never be solved. The other thing that is absurd, is I bet countries are still sat on radar / satellite info and are not releasing, purely because of military exposure as to how advanced / inept their radar is.

Last night I watched rerun of The PBS Nova special on the 447. I was amazed the crash was cause by such a little thing. The devices that measure air speed failed due to iceing from a thunderstorm. When the auto pilot systems shut off they failed follow the proper protocall to maually set plane's trust/pitch which lead the plane to slow down and stall and drop out of the sky like a rock.

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Originally posted by Jon_Snow Last night I watched rerun of The PBS Nova special on the 447. I was amazed the crash was cause by such a little thing. The devices that measure air speed failed due to iceing from a thunderstorm. When the auto pilot systems shut off they failed follow the proper protocall to maually set plane's trust/pitch which lead the plane to slow down and stall and drop out of the sky like a rock.

Well also, one of the pilots realised the plane was pitching up but couldn't work out why, as the pilot with the least experience had been pulling back on the joystick, but because it was tucked away to his right, the other pilot didn't notice, and only realised when it was too late. If it had been Boeing, the yoke movement would have been easy to seen by the other pilot.

Regardless, I can't think of a more terrifying to meet your end on a aeroplane; in the middle of a storm, at night, in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean.

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Originally posted by DJ Mikey Mike Social outcasts are often of the opinion that they must have a drink before being able to loosen up with their inhibitions, thus being able to have a good time. There's a word that sums up this sort of behaviour, and that word is 'reject.'

Yea, I read that Airbuses sum the pilot inputs, where as Boeing does it differently in a way that it is clear who has control.

Also there was a total failure of chain of command in that scenario by the captain, who had been asleep when the issue started and when he came back on the flight deck he didn't take command of the crew in any definitive way. Basically there was too much confusion, too many people trying to do their own thing and he failed to lead. Mostly understandable in the situation, but these are things that they should be trained for.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby Mostly understandable in the situation, but these are things that they should be trained for.

True, but training and real-world are often completely different. Handling an out-of-control Airbus over a stormy Atlantic at midnight is one thing on a simulator, but being in that situation, coupled with adrenalin and a realisation of "this could be the end" cannot be ever be trained for, I don't think can ever be trained for. Training can perhaps minimise it, but never re-create it.

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Originally posted by DJ Mikey Mike Social outcasts are often of the opinion that they must have a drink before being able to loosen up with their inhibitions, thus being able to have a good time. There's a word that sums up this sort of behaviour, and that word is 'reject.'

True. We should just require all airline pilots to be combat pilots. Also need some wars then I guess where they have to do balls to the wall flying...

A lot of the pilots in the Turkish domestic airlines are air force reserve pilots... Some of the funnest domestic flights ever haha.

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Originally posted by chris1011 What type of zombies though?

World War Z zombies.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby True. We should just require all airline pilots to be combat pilots.

This doesn't sound like a good idea: How could the military cope with the demand?

As the son of a military pilot from a developing country, I can assure you there are many air force reserve pilots working for our airlines; but requiring all pilots to be combat pilots is just infeasible. Even in the air force, combat pilots are a small elite.

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The conclusion of the show I watched was highly automated planes can leave pilots unprepared to in crisis to take manual control.

In the 447 case the manual trust lever doesn't change when the computer is controlling. So when the auto pilot disengaged the pilots mistakenly thought the plane had the right amount of thrust based on the lever position.

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Originally posted by Lira This doesn't sound like a good idea: How could the military cope with the demand? As the son of a military pilot from a developing country, I can assure you there are many air force reserve pilots working for our airlines; but requiring all pilots to be combat pilots is just infeasible. Even in the air force, combat pilots are a small elite.

Heh I was joking. Of course there are far more civilian pilot roles that need filling.

That being said I think better training is always good. Look at the guy who landed the plane on the Hudson... Granted he was an instructor and specialized in risk management and emergency situations... But still piloting can often make the difference in a lot of situations.