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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Yes, we all start out like you. Most of us grow out of it.

I don't know what you're doing posting here if you've "grown out of" the ability to enjoy trance.
According to you, what ruined trance was, er...trance itself! Honestly, I don't think you've got the slightest clue what you're talking about and you've got a misconstrued view of what trance is.
You're free to like what you like, but don't try telling me that the guys that practically shaped trance into an actual genre like Gary D, RMB, Ralph Fridge, etc are the types that killed trance. To say that kind of thing is disrespectful to everyone who was a part of the trance culture back then and even to the more modern sounding producers you're into, because without this "cheesy" 90s shit, they would probably never have started making anything at all. At least have some respect for the roots man.
Also, you mentioned Oliver Lieb was making great stuff back then...but isn't this exactly the kind of thing you're ripping on?

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Originally posted by Trance-M Perfect title for this awesome track which will be released next month. I bet no-one agrees though, but it still is perfect trance to me: I'm pretty sure that people who now still like the above, in the mid 90's liked the one below. I'm also pretty sure that some people here who claim to know what decent trance sounds or sounded like, never liked such tracks at all.

For the first one, I like the virus sound and the lead...sounds a bit messy when all the pieces come together. Still, for uplifting trance, it's pretty nice.
As for the second track...first heard that one on Rave Now 4! It still holds up all these years later. Why isn't trance allowed to sound happy anymore? The heart's been ripped straight from it.

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Kos', you're going on about a very different branch of trance than what J's going on about. Gary D, Komakino, and the like were all hard German trance, which I adore, for the record, but I make no illusion that it can be incredibly campy at times. Thing about the Germans though is, for as goofy as it could get (hi, Mo-Do!), there was an undeniable charm to it too, a fun sort of cheese that has its place. I can see why J' would dislike it tho', as his UK bias is well known.

It's the Dutch styled trance that most folks point towards as the ruination of the genre, with overblown supersaw breakdown anthems and hyper-marketing, DJ worshiping antics to match. Really, point to any genre in electronic music, and you'll find the Dutch ruining it: hardcore --> gabber; electro house --> Dutch house (Afrojack,etc.); and so on. Their cheese is almost unanimously godawful.

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Originally posted by Sykonee Kos', you're going on about a very different branch of trance than what J's going on about. Gary D, Komakino, and the like were all hard German trance, which I adore, for the record, but I make no illusion that it can be incredibly campy at times. Thing about the Germans though is, for as goofy as it could get (hi, Mo-Do!), there was an undeniable charm to it too, a fun sort of cheese that has its place. I can see why J' would dislike it tho', as his UK bias is well known. It's the Dutch styled trance that most folks point towards as the ruination of the genre, with overblown supersaw breakdown anthems and hyper-marketing, DJ worshiping antics to match. Really, point to any genre in electronic music, and you'll find the Dutch ruining it: hardcore --> gabber; electro house --> Dutch house (Afrojack,etc.); and so on. Their cheese is almost unanimously godawful.

Yeah, I suppose you're right...I took offense though since cheesy is typically synonymous with bad, and he was saying this with the pretense that my music is shit and that that kind of music in general is shit. Trance is more or less, brooding as it seems, the only thing that means much of anything to me these days.
I can really appreciate dutch stuff; early Rank 1 and System F were great projects imo, but around 2004-2006 the melodies and progressions just became so typical that every track started to sound like a rehashing of the last. This is the main reason I rarely listen to any modern uplifting stuff anymore, it's all more or less the same thing.
I do really like the sound though; used properly, it can bring a lot of energy to a track, such as Solange - Messages (Gouryella Mix)
I try to use it sparingly these days however.
By the way...I used to make some supersaw stuff in 2012...

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I don't know if Trance is dead or not, I just think it's become complete garbage compared to what it's been before 2004 or so. That may also partly be on account of growing out of it. There has always been lots of cheesy Trance, even in the early 90s, but there was good stuff as well. Now it pretty much all seems cheesy.

Acid Trance is dead for sure though, probly has been since 97' or so.

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Originally posted by AlphaStarred Acid Trance is dead for sure though, probly has been since 97' or so.

I think acid's going to be making a comeback eventually. Armin's latest track "Ping Pong" features a 303 line, and when I saw Ferry Corsten last year, he dropped Glenn Morrison - Marquee, which practically steals the lead from New Order - Confusion (Pump Panel Mix)

Ferry also did some tracks not too long ago that featured 303 basslines. I think it's going to be popular again very soon.

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Well, acid is still somewhat alive and kicking (albeit barely), but that Marquee and Ping Pong track aren't acid trance, though. Haven't heard the Ferry ones.

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Originally posted by AlphaStarred Well, acid is still somewhat alive and kicking (albeit barely), but that Marquee and Ping Pong track aren't acid trance, though. Haven't heard the Ferry ones.

Acid is more or less just a trance tune that predominantly features a sequenced 303 lead. There's a lot of variety in what these tracks can sound like really, but I'd call Marquee and Ping Pong big room / acid hybrids. They're no Acid Air Raid, but even the fact that the formant 303 sound is the main focus of those songs seems to me like it'll become popular again. This is what I was referring to with the 303 bass. Not that good a tune overall imo but that bass is sweet.

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Originally posted by Sykonee It's the Dutch styled trance that most folks point towards as the ruination of the genre, with overblown supersaw breakdown anthems and hyper-marketing, DJ worshiping antics to match. Really, point to any genre in electronic music, and you'll find the Dutch ruining it: hardcore --> gabber; electro house --> Dutch house (Afrojack,etc.); and so on. Their cheese is almost unanimously godawful.

Germans are the best to ever do it when it comes to making trance, but the Dutch are a close second imo. it might be slightly cheesy or just flatout cheesy but the power and grace that Geert Huinink and Benno De Goeij instilled in their tracks will always resonate in my opinion.

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Originally posted by 2techs Germans are the best to ever do it when it comes to making trance, but the Dutch are a close second imo. it might be slightly cheesy or just flatout cheesy but the power and grace that Geert Huinink and Benno De Goeij instilled in their tracks will always resonate in my opinion.

Rank 1's remix of Cygnus X's "Superstring" remains one of my all time favorites. Still gives me chills! Early dutch trance was often fantastic stuff, it was only when it became a cliche that it started to go downhill for me.

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Originally posted by kosmotika Acid is more or less just a trance tune that predominantly features a sequenced 303 lead.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you made a typo here.

That Ferry tune is not acid, although it has some background synth that sounds somewhat acidic. It's not Trance either, so I'm actually curious if there has been a single acid trance track in the last 17 years or so, with the 303 being the predominant instrument.

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Originally posted by AlphaStarred I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you made a typo here. That Ferry tune is not acid, although it has some background synth that sounds somewhat acidic. It's not Trance either, so I'm actually curious if there has been a single acid trance track in the last 17 years or so, with the 303 being the predominant instrument.

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Acid trance is a style of trance music that emerged in the late 1980s and early 1990s focusing on using the acid sound. The trademark sound of "acid" is produced with a Roland TB-303 by playing a sequenced melody while altering the instrument's filter cutoff frequency, resonance, envelope modulation, and accent controls. This real-time tone adjustment was not part of the instrument's original intended operation.

I made a track some time ago that may be considered acid, though there's no sequenced lead...moreso in the style of late 90s hard acid tunes.

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