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Originally posted by Dykes_on_Jay What do you know about running a business?

He ran Ford for 20 years.

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Originally posted by Dykes_on_Jay What do you know about running a business?

What? I know what it's like to work at a company who's top management leaves and then it's filled by shitstains who run the company into the ground.

your mum might not be as generous as your dad nou, but calling her a shitstain is pretty weak.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On I don't think it's unfair at all to issue an advanced notice of your leaving. I dunno, maybe some other people have different experiences with the legalese of a 2-week notice, but it seems to me that if you are sufficiently good at what you do -and perhaps more pertinently have a decent relationship with your employer- you should give them time to rehire, and even avail yourself to orient your replacement. Granted, maybe you are leaving said job because the environment is shitty, in which case this is all quite moot and you should get the hell out within 2 weeks. But I know that I do enough advanced things at my job that it would be a nightmare to just plunk down someone new; and that's not a 'I'm so smart and valuable and blablabla' kind of thing, it's just the nature of some peoples occupation to have a complicated environment that one cannot intuit themselves to assume.

Without question the level of accountability you have, technical difficulty of your work, and the size of the potential talent pool should all be factors in how much notice you give. I gave my former employer a months notice. I had wanted to give more but my current employer was very eager to on-board me. My circumstances were that I was running a team with a high level of expertise that were working on several complex and disparate programs for which none of the existing members of the management team had the expertise to handle adequately; all of which necessitated a longer period of time than 2 weeks to get a temporary replacement up to speed. I balanced that off with the knowledge that I had long since been grooming one of my direct reports to take over from me and was fairly confident I could get her ready in a month. The standard 2 weeks is not good enough in many circumstances, as a professional, one really needs to put a good deal of thought into what amount of notice is reasonable. The last thing you want to do is burn bridges... leaving your employer in a bind on your way out the door is a great way to burn bridges.

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Originally posted by RickyM you're just a shit version of Moral Hazard. At least he knows what he's talking about.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN lol, i love it when moral feels the need to lay the smack down

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Same here, and I'm contemplating trying to blackmail my employer into giving me a pay rise by threatening to leave in the middle of our current busy programme if my wage demands aren't met, on the basis that it would throw a major spanner in the works to hire someone new to the company and train them up, even with the requisite month's notice period. Advisable?

Terrible idea in most cases. Most employers refuse to be bullied. Certainly, if one of my reports did that to me I would call their bluff (because there is always a way to get things done even if a key person leaves but there is no way to recover the damage that would be done by giving into a threat from an employee). If your bluff gets called are you really going to leave? Are you really going to walk out with no job to go to and facing an indeterminate period of unemployment? If you are not absolutely committed to following through on your threat (any threat, really) then don't make it. If you make a threat and fail to follow through then you have just shown all that you are a) weak, b) non-resolute, and c) not to be trusted. In short, failing to follow through on a threat destroys any and all leverage you ever had with the person you threatened, which bodes very badly for you if you stay with this employer... you will never be taken seriously again.

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Originally posted by RickyM you're just a shit version of Moral Hazard. At least he knows what he's talking about.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN lol, i love it when moral feels the need to lay the smack down

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN your mum might not be as generous as your dad nou, but calling her a shitstain is pretty weak.

Funnily enough this thread is about someone who works for their mom and dad.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby What? I know what it's like to work at a company who's top management leaves and then it's filled by shitstains who run the company into the ground.

What do you know about running a business?

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Freak Out Tóng Zhì

Someone kick Jay, he is stuck in a loop.

Nou. Stop and think. For once in your bloody life.

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Freak Out Tóng Zhì

I worked at a small design/advertising firm in a medium sized city who when I started had most of the large businesses in the city as their clients. It was run by three partners, two of them had a falling out, and one of them left. The one who left was the main project manager and also the main account man. In the year and a half I was there when he was still part of the company he ran a tight ship and we were growing our client base and we set record profits every year. After his departure we steadily lost clients as the two other partners failed to pick up any of the slack and demonstrated no business sense whatsoever. At the time that I left we had two clients, granted they were our largest clients from the get go, but still, we had lost almost all of our smaller clients, clients who picked up the slack between big campaigns from the major companies. Furthermore these big companies knew we were dependent on them entirely and they ran us hard on rates that for the start of the two fiscal years I was there after the third partner left, never increased, not even to cover new work on top of existing work. Also one of the clients was family of one of the still existing partners, which was hilarious. Citric is right, don't work for family, they have no problem fucking you.

So yea, I know a little bit. It was a small company, everything was out in front of the employees.

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Originally posted by Dykes_on_Jay What do you know about running a business?

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Freak Out Tóng Zhì

Obviously you are suffering from heavy metal poisoning from all that food in China... Good day Jay.