yeah i use J74 Progressive, its a Max 4 Live plugin, helps with chord progressions and scales

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People, what do you think of "C Aeolian"?

To me it sounds like the least emotionally involving mode. I like its neutral character, which makes it perfect for psy-trance for example. A mode that allows you to dedicate more attention to the beat and the groove in general.

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Originally posted by TranceElevation People, what do you think of "C Aeolian"? To me it sounds like the least emotionally involving mode. I like its neutral character, which makes it perfect for psy-trance for example. A mode that allows you to dedicate more attention to the beat and the groove in general.

well....i think having A as your root note....is good...


G or A would be the least "emotional"........in theory, you want to stay away from the leading tones of E>F and B>C

So to have both of those farthest away from the root of your mode.....

you would want G or A...because it puts both leading tones right in the middle of your mode....

also you might want to note that G and A are the two inside tone of the tritone........F G A B is the tritone....theres 3 whole tone intervals between F and B in a diatonic scale....G and A are like in no mans land....psy treance spacey no emotion land

so your right. Aolian.....spot on.... or mixolodian

I'm not an expert at theory im still trying to learn myself. i tried to make sure i gave you all the correct terms. this makes sense to me logically from a theory standpoint.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say exactly, but there is no leading tone in Aeolian. You seem to be confusing keys and modes. Aeolian is a mode, not a key, and the fact that it doesn't make use of a leading tone, dominant V or V7 (or diminished vii) with the raised seventh scale degree (i.e., leading tone) is the main difference that distinguishes it from the minor key. The triad built on the fifth scale degree in Aeolian OTOH is a minor v, and the triad built on the seventh scale degree is a major VII, built on the note that is one whole step below the tonic (i.e., as opposed to the leading tone, which is one half-step below the tonic).

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Originally posted by cryophonik The triad built on the fifth scale degree in Aeolian OTOH is a minor v, and the triad built on the seventh scale degree is a major VII, built on the note that is one whole step below the tonic (i.e., as opposed to the leading tone, which is one half-step below the tonic).

That's why I think it's a good non emotional mode to use....because there is no leading tone...or at least there cant be a illusion of having a leading tone....because theres no half tone interval below the (root/potentially perceived tonic) in the dominant triad...ie. the B in the G (V) of Cmajor....

if we used a mode like ionian or lydian...it would have an inherent leading tone in the dominant....like B for oionain or E for Lydian...

if were in a mode and want to remain unemotional/neutral...we want to stay away from modes with dominants that include leading tones.

make sense?

The beauty of learning theory.

Something curious just happened.
I was messing around in an old project of mines. Was curious to find out in what key/mode was actually that project. So I opened the key editor and started pressing some keys after the tonic (it turns out the project was in "G Aeolian"). I was like "Bb Bb Bb", "Eb Eb Eb" and so on...then at a certain point I said: wait a minute, this reminds me of something...it reminds of some track...what track was it, it was some old track...but which one...so I kept doing that sequence until the word "beauty" came into my mind.
Ok, I had a part of the title at that point, but what was the artist....so I thought about the Thrillseekers! Open iTunes -> type The Thrillseekers and nope. No track with "Beauty" from the Thrillseekers. So I remembered about one of his old aliases: "Rapid Eye". So I type "Rapid Eye" and the track "Stealing Beauty" popped up.

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thats good! good trance music there!

Thanks invers.
I like how I'm slowly developing relative pitch.

And is interesting how heavily trance relies on modes.

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Last edited by TranceElevation on Sep-29-2014 at 01:15

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Originally posted by cryophonik I just checked this out. It's a good idea, but you have some major problems with your scale finder, specifically the scale degrees (i.e., letter designations for notes). It breaks the most fundamental rules of music theory by skipping some scale degrees and repeating other scale degrees using enharmonic equivalents. But that is incorrect and problematic. Examples: C# Major: your scale finder returns: C# D# F F# G# A# C C# This is not correct because it repeats the fourth (i.e., F and F#) and eighth (i.e., C and C#) scale degrees, but skips the third (i.e., a scale degree based on "E", in this case E#) and seventh (i.e., a scale degree based on "B", in this case B#). The C# Major scale is actually: C# D# E# F# G# A# B# C# The key signature has 7 sharps - one for each of the seven scale degrees (see your circle of fifths). Using your notes, there could be no iii (E# min) or vii (B# dim) chords. Instead you would have two different forms if the first scale degree (i.e., a I and a i-dim based on C# and C, respectively) and two different forms of the fourth scale degree (i.e., one based on F and another based on F#). Another example is your C# melodic minor, which your scale finder identifies as: C# D# E F# G# A# C C# This one has no seventh scale degree (i.e., based on "B"), but has two notes based on the first scale degree (i.e., C and C#). The correct notes are: C# D# E F# G# A# B# C# This isn't just semantics. Triads, chord extensions, chord naming, the circle of fifths, sharps/flats, accidentals, etc. all depend on the correct usage of scale degrees. EDIT: looking at it further, no offense but it's just awful. You completely skipped all the flat keys, and many of your sharp keys are not even close (e.g., A#). I highly suggest taking it down. It's misleading and will only confuse people who are already confused enough.

I apologize for this. I've added an image stating that it finds "note positions." http://nickfever.com/music/scale-finderhttp://nickfever.com/music/scale-finder

I'd like to add a piano roll in the future to help illustrate the scales/modes.

Thanks,
Nick

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some good stuff right here. It's good to be back and outwardly lurking.

D# Mixolydian? Not a lot of info for that mode...

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