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Originally posted by NightShade1 Well im asking cause some ppl in a forum in my country is saying it ummm one of them said that they are projects that they made to sell... what do you think of this??? if he is right or not???

anything that sounds like Out of the Blue by Ferry Corsten and those other eurotrance riff artists, yes.

Psytrance is the least commercial, they never play it on the radio and it's better than european trance.

European trance is only good for a synthpop influence, IMO.

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Originally posted by Verona^My anything that sounds like Out of the Blue by Ferry Corsten and those other eurotrance riff artists, yes. Psytrance is the least commercial, they never play it on the radio and it's better than european trance. European trance is only good for a synthpop influence, IMO.

Goa doesnt build nicely.. its over dramatized with the middle synths choppy... ive heard psytrance alot as well.. esp @ underground parties..its played more than trance... European trance is good for everything its what defines trance in general the roots my friend the roots



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also euro trance is better than psytrance.. better builds better kick ins.. better rush.. (Even when your not high )


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Originally posted by Vesa Does 'commercial' mean 'trying to earn much money'? In that case, the answer is no. If one calculates the average amount of vinyls that a trance record sells, one notices that trance is specialist music.

I agree with you in part, although I still think the basis of commercial means trying to make a crapload of money. However making trance for the most part wont get you those ends, since the record companies basically pick and choose who makes it and who doesn't, ************ of who has the best sound. A lot of trance artists still have dayjobs and little or no mainstream exposure. This probably stems from the DJ phemonemon. I dont listen to DJ's much myself, only real trance artists who dont use their DJ name recognition to make their productions more popular.

I think modern rock & hip-hop is notoriously commercial and made just for the money. The record companies also will assmeble rock bands like Matchbox20 and tell them to write songs for the radios, and then the record company will pick the songs that they feel will have the best success and put them on an album.

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I just hope Trance stays underground in the U.S.!!

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I'm from colorado and my answer to this post is it all depends on your definition of commercial...for instance if you mean commercial by trance being made for money then of course it's "commercial." in that reguards almost every type of music is "commercial." sure a lot of artists make trance music for the love of the music and to please fans, but you're kidding yourself if you don't think making money off of it is another reason they are doing it.

if you mean commercial as in widespread, popular music listened to then i'd say it's definitely not commercial in the U.S. sure maybe some states, such as new york have a bigger audience for trance but across the U.S. as a whole there is sooooo many people that don't know what trance is and haven't experienced it, or if they have they probably called it techno now when you consider commercial as in widespread, popular music listened to in europe that is a different story. if that is your definition of commercial then yes trance is commercial in europe...and that's not bad considering the definition of commercial in this case.

if your definition of commercial is the really cheesy stuff meant to lure in the trance newbies who don't know what quality stuff is then there is only a select few tracks and producers that would classify trance as commercial. tracks like sandstorm, and producers like alice deejay...uuugh, i can't stand it!!! for instance i went to see DJ Micro at The Church, probably the best club colorado has to offer for trance and he dropped DJ Kim - Jetlag(Alphazone remix) and i was going fucking nuts, everyone else around me was like what the hell is this?! but watch some local shitty dj play Basement Jaxx - Wheres Your Head At and Darude - Sandstorm and the crowd fucking loves it...i can't stand that shit!

now for my personal definition of commercial and my final response...i view something commercial as being something catchy with no real depth or quality. it's mostly made for an ignorant audience to make a lot of money really quickly. so of course theres always going to be a "commercial" side to all types of music. that's the reason i can't stand sandstorm or wheres your head at or daft punk's one more time...all the idiots that think they listen to trance bring those songs up in conversations about trance. you ask them to list five producers then they're stumped cuz their dumbasses don't know 5 producers. you ask me, i'll list a bunch in 10 seconds. dumonde, flutlicht, dj scot project, push(m.i.k.e.), cosmic gate, lange, rank1....the list goes on in on. sooo...there's some commercial trance, but that doesn't make trance as a whole less and less appealing to me. if an idiot wants to blast sandstorm out of his speakers i'll just laugh at him and blast dumonde!!!

a short and blunt response...trance is not commercial shit, but there is shitty commercial trance. thanks for listening, cheers.

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I genuinely believe that, just as with any kind of music genre, such as hip-hop, folk, rock, that tracks will be put together just to sell, because there is a sure formula. Just as with trance, put some banging melody and a girl crying about love together, you've got some Ian van Dahl pile of poo, and people go round calling it trance.
Now it's harder to find quality, original trance tracks, but of course they are still out there, they will always be out there!!
But I definitely feel that the aura that comes with liking trance is fading, people put you down for it nowadays.

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No offence, but how many of this bloody threads are we going to have asking this same question over and over again in different semantics???

Unless there's some 'commitee' that goes around stamping gendres of music for every song out there, its going to be a personal decision and a question of the tastes of the person asking. Simple.

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Originally posted by DJ Digityl a short and blunt response...trance is not commercial shit, but there is shitty commercial trance. thanks for listening, cheers.

Nicely put. When I think of the term "commercial" I think of a genre that is so widespread and popular that producers start to make that kind of music just to make money, not because they are passionate about it. I'm not saying everyone that makes that kind of music does it soley for money though. I'd consider U.S. "pop" to be commercial, but, you have someone like Venessa Carlton who makes "pop", but she seems to have a true interest and passion for the music she writes. However, for every Vanessa Carlton, you have 5 Britney Spears who make a video, shake their ass, and collect their fat paycheck. That's what commercial means to me.

This allows me to vent a lot of things to ppl who can actually comprehend the things that i am sayin

So here goes, i really hate it when the topic of music comes up in conversation b/c ppl invariably think that they know about the electronic music industry/community when they have no fucking clue. Most of the time when i say that i listen to trance their response is "I don't like techno" Furthermore try to explain the difference to them and they have no clue. For example my neighbor was frustrated that my roommate was making fun of hip hop (her favorite genre) so she came back with "well no one likes your techno music." That was all it took for the both of us to get on her case about being ignorant, but assuming that she knew what she was talking about.

I live in Colorado, not exactly the trance capital of the US, or world for that matter. When i go out to the bar and i hear a dj play music the break down is this, Rap and R&B 95% of the time and then he drops in succession, alice deejay - better off alone, daft punk - one more time, and darude - sandstorm (the only electronic music played all night). At which point i am drunk enough that i wanna go up to the booth and fuckin spit on the guy However the sad fact is, that everyone on the dance floor knows all the words to these tracks Meanwhile im in the corner wishing there was a gun nearby. I say this because this is "commercial" cheese trance and therefore most people assume that all electronic music is this way. When that is clearly not the case to us ta's!!!!!!!!!

So i go to a "pseudo-rave" last weekend with Dj Digityl (my roommate and over all good friend ) and it occurs to us that a lot of the ppl aren't there for the music. For example one of the dj's opened his set w/ iio - at the end (scumfrog remix) and we were goin nuts and ppl around us were like whats with those 2 Another one dropped Ligaya and no one knew that track either, (ill admit that its not my favorite tune but it was way better when spun in a club). However later on in the night some other dj spun Basement Jaxx - Wheres your head at, and everybody went nuts, it was at that point we decided maybe it was time to go home

IMO cheese equals commercial

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Originally posted by DJ Nuclear trance is by far the most above ground electronic genre in the US...some of it is ripoffs and some of it original...

eh Fatboy Slim/Chemical Brothers & Prodigy all had huge successes in the US, and they were not trance, so I wouldn't say trance is the biggest genre in the states.

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Well as far as where im at trance is not comercial at all, when i am asked what i am listening to and i say trance i get a wide range of responses mostly "whats that" so for me it isnt comercial but i dont really care if trance is comercial or not, sure there is going to be shitty trakcs thrown together to make cash but i believe for the most part the DJs/producers are loving the music as much as we are so the music comes from the heart giving it a great sound. Every style of music has its comercial tracks and its super underground. Im tired of worrying about if something is comercial or not fuck it, if you like the music listen to it that is what its for. I for one love trance regardless of how much popularity it gains. well that is My Opinion..

EDIT:: Just read mindshifters response talking about trying to explain difference of trance and techno all i can say is AMEN i hear ya on that no one listens to it to them its all techno till they get hooked latter in life.

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Originally posted by DJ Digityl a short and blunt response...trance is not commercial shit, but there is shitty commercial trance. thanks for listening, cheers.

Hrmm i used to listen to darude sandstorm alot.. i still liked it even when it hit the radio.. I love dumonde as well.. but just because something has gone mainstream doesnt mean you should dump it.. think of it technically.. doyou like trance cause no one else does?
no you like trance because of the way it sounds.. i love club trance esp alot of hte mainstream stuff. Remember it wasnt always mainstream.. does that mean if you blast dumonde - never look back that im gonna blast some unknown progressive track? noo.. cause thats lame.. ill just nod my head and say yea.. this guy/girl likes the music.. its what ill assume.. i assume most ppl dont like things that are commercial because they are commercial.. thats very superficial



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