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Originally posted by Jon_Snow What are you talking about sugar is one of the leading causes of health issues in the US. Obesity, diabetes, tooth decay, heart disease to name a few. Btw that is a sweet animated gif.

I'm aware, but I've yet to see a fattie breaking into people's houses and stealing stereos so they can get another doughnut hit. I mean, even if you banned the stuff, what are the odds outlaws would rent cheap houses and turn them into cake labs?

Sugar is bad, but the drugs he wants to do are way worse.

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Originally posted by Lira I'm aware, but I've yet to see a fattie breaking into people's houses and stealing stereos so they can get another doughnut hit. I mean, even if you banned the stuff, what are the odds outlaws would rent cheap houses and turn them into cake labs? Sugar is bad, but the drugs he wants to do are way worse.

I get it they stole your car.

Drugs solve everything. My life is just as shit as it always was, but I just don't care anymore.

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Originally posted by AlphaStarred Also, I hope everyone is aware that feeling depressed and having clinical Depression are two completely different things. Based on my own experience, I do believe that all mental illness may be a kind of chemical imbalance in the brain.

Yes, of course, which is the point IGK is fumbling ineptly towards. I do not have a mental illness, neither does Singularity55 and neither, it seems, does the OP. What I had was persistent and extremely low mood caused by external factors, which is something curable. A mental illness causing depression is something the sufferer must generally live with throughout their life.

However, there is no doubt that I had a serious problem. For 13 continuous months I felt a lowness that was so overwhelming it manifested itself as a physical sensation - my chest constantly felt painfully tight, my head felt drained of fluid. I suffered from insomnia, I drank at every opportunity, I would walk the streets aimlessly at 3am getting stopped by the police and not caring if someone jumped me. I remember walking home drunk from somewhere, passing some train lines and thinking very carefully about killing myself - different methods, whether I'd feel any pain, whether I had the courage to do it. The only person I ever spoke to about my feelings was my mother, when I sat her down and told her I thought she needed to know that I was seriously thinking of killing myself.

If IGK thinks calling the above "depression" is using the term too lightly, then he's welcome to his dipshit opinion. Whatever you want to call it, it was the worst period of my life by some distance, and when I started taking drugs it was such an amazing, euphoric experience it lifted me out of it almost straight away. It gave me the ability to open up and reflect on my problems from a different perspective. Within a few months I'd sorted out a lot of the problems I'd been too deep in a pit previously to rationally overcome.

Everyone is different, and drugs affect everyone differently. It's that simple.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J A mental illness causing depression is something the sufferer must generally live with throughout their life.

If the mental illness itself is clinical Depression (i.e. Major Depressive Episode not comorbid with anything else), then it may only manifest itself once during a person's lifetime. If it's something like Bipolar or Schizophrenia, it usually becomes a lifelong illness to manage.

The way you described your mental state, it does sound like a kind of clinical depression (I can't diagnose you or get into your shoes, of course), and the fact that you mentioned that drugs helped you was the reason I mentioned the Ketamine and Shroom trials. I agree that certain drugs can sometimes help, but often they also make things worse - which makes me neither an outright advocate nor an outright proponent. It also depends on the drugs and other factors, of course, and if you can choose between self-medicating and doing it in a clinical setting - the latter option would generally be much safer.

As for Iboga - it did help me for some time, but as aforementioned, I certainly didn't feel "normal," even though I was ostensibly better. If they ever do start clinical trials and it proves to have medicinal value and they ultimately find a way to dose it correctly, I wouldn't hesitate to try it again. Until then I'm exploring other avenues. If I was suffering from only depresion I would definitely consider signing up for the Ketamine trials or trying shrooms again if meds failed.

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Everyone is different, and drugs affect everyone differently. It's that simple.

Just curious - what drugs lifted you out of that black pit? I'm guessing either psychedelics or ecstasy?

As for the OP, who doesn't seem to be suffering from a mental illness, I will say that using drugs certainly can lead to mental illness - so just keep that in mind, among other things.

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Originally posted by AlphaStarred Just curious - what drugs lifted you out of that black pit? I'm guessing either psychedelics or ecstasy?

Yeah, it was E.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Yeah, it was E.

Yeah, I heard it can be beneficial for depression - even for Bipolar and Schizophrenia - but the reports I'd read about the latter usually mentioned only temporary relief, which is one of the reasons I haven't tried it yet.

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Originally posted by AlphaStarred Yeah, I heard it can be beneficial for depression - even for Bipolar and Schizophrenia - but the reports I'd read about the latter usually mentioned only temporary relief, which is one of the reasons I haven't tried it yet.

Never ever, or not since you developed your condition?

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Never ever, or not since you developed your condition?

Sorry, was going to edit and write since my condition. Yeah, before this whole mess, I did a bunch of stuff "recreationally." E was very likely the thing I enjoyed most. Acid I'm never, ever going to touch again unless the doctors make me. What a total mindfuck.

When I was nearly 26 and left for Korea, drugs had completely lost their appeal for me. It's like that old adage - once you've learned what the psychedelics had to teach you (I don't think they taught me anything) - it's time to hang up the phone. Me and my close (Muslim) friend in Korea could've easily gotten some coke, but we didn't care for it - we were in somewhat of a similar boat - down to smoke pot (which couldn't be found), but otherwise only settled for liqour.

If/when I get back to my normal self, I don't think I'm going to touch another drug again, ever. At least I hope not.

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The funny thing is, Jack, if I were my "normal" self, we might even get along quite well (not to say we can't now). Sorry dude, didn't mean to steal your birthright (being somewhat facetious). I'm a completely different person, normally, and some of the things I'd written here over the past few years, wouldn't even normally enter my mind.

Last edited by AlphaStarred on Mar-10-2016 at 23:11

No getting along on my watch peasants and muckers.

I'm enlightened and enhanced

Yeah, TA wouldn't be what it was if everyone just got along, eh?