words fail to describe my disgust at anyone who thinks that America and its foreign policy are superior to that of the arab dictatorships or even Al-Qaeda.

America, Israel, Al-Qaeda, Saudi Arabia, Iraq. Every country/organisation run by cynical, duplicitous, EVIL, religous fanatics who think nothing of murder, theft and destruction to promote some delusional fantasy of what an ideal world should be, (ZIONISM=an ethnically pure Israel, safe for land stealing settlers, GLOBALISATION=a world safe for american corporations but where workers in the third world are nothing but serfs to provide cheap labor for multinationals, ISLAMIC FUNDAMENTALISM = a world run by sharia law where women are treated like animals).


Globalisation/Americanisation = Fanaticism
Zionism= Fanaticism
Islamic Fundamentalism= Fanaticism

rupert = fanaticisim

that the best you can say. Truth hurts doesnt it mate.

Even if everything I said was a complete lie, exaggeration, the fact is the palestinians WILL have an independent state, the settlers WILL leave the occupied territories and if the USA goes to war in the middle east, it WILL end with its long term decline both economically and militarily.

thank you for proving the thesis equation in my last point true with your previous reply. Verifying my statement's authenticity, to me and the other readers of this thread.

I've proved me statements, it would be kind if you could in turn do the same to yours.

lets just keep it at that, I don't want to drag this thread into areas it doesn't belong. well keep it as to why terrorist are angry.

I tend to agree with rupert's last post, although his first one was a bit radical. As long as the palestinians don't get their state, there will be no peace in Israel and Palestine, and if America attacks Iraq, it will lead to more terrorism because it will piss of the terrorists.
But, as you said, let's keep it to why the terrorists are angry.
Now, in the 1970's CIA agents ignited a revolution against at that time peaceful and progressive government of Iran, for many reasons, one of which was that it was turning to nuclear energy. The new government was a backwards islamistic one, under which no progress would be made, and in a 50 years or so when the oil supplies were thought to have run out, it will be completely irrelevant.
A decade later, the Soviets attacked Afganistan and forced a more or less normal government there, but it was pro-soviet oriented. The CIA then trained rebel islamic fanatics, and one of them was Osama Bin Laden himself. Ten years later, the Talibans defeated regular government, and it seemed like not much will be heard of them anymore, except when they enact a new retarded law every once in a while, like for example banning paper bags cause they could be made of recycled kuran pages. But, unexpectedly, they started to seek islamic justice beyond their countries borders, and started attacking the US and Israel because of their sympathy for the palestinians.
Now about the western part of the arab world. US was the largest ally of Israel, a country which when appeared took the territory of the palestinians. Now, I agree that the Jews have a right for their country, but I think that the palestinians do as well. And they don't have it so they're pissed off at Israel, and indirectly at the US, as Israel's biggest ally. Not to mention here that all the neighbouring countries except Jordan (i think, or is it Syria) have large territorial disputes with Israel, and also indirectly dislike americans.
And, we have Saddam, who is still pissed off at the americans, because of the gulf war, in which he was defeated by them. Not to mention that prior to his attack on Kuwait he was insured by the americans that they won't interfere in case of Iraq's invasion on Kuwait, an agreement which americans dishonoured. All that time, americans have been supporting radical islamic groups in Iraq, which are against Saddam, because, for all he might be, he's not an islamic radical.
In all the other islamic countries, some of which are formally allies of US, civil discontent is growing because they see americans interfere in countries frendly to them. Not to mention that up to the end of cold war, the CIA was actively supporting radical islamists in all the muslim countries, not just Afghanistan, and it continued to do so until the WTC incident.
All that was in the interest of oil companies, ofcourse.
So basically, it is the US that trained terrorists and gave them reason to attack. Not that I justify their actions, they are insane, but the US made those insane maniacs, and now they turned against the creators.

Drug_tito, you dont seem to give a good explanation as the why the radical terrorist are committing acts agaisnt the US

i agree when you said that the US has helped out radical islamic movements in achieving their aid in the past. why then would these same group of people turn their backs and attack those who have helped them in the past? the only two reasons i found in your statement are indirect ones:
1) the US is interested in oil, a small price to pay for letting your movement come into national power, imo
2) the US siding with the nation of israel, agian a small price to pay seeing as these islamic movements had nothing to do with palestine to begin with.

add those up and that still doesnt really come to a good reason as to why they commit those acts.

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We wouldn't have a problem with terrorism if we took thesame approach as Swizterland(pardon my spelling).Now that's a country that has their sh!t together.

The "war on drugs" is bogus. The gov. pretends to fight drugs,but in reality they are the ones pushing the goods.That is the reason why the "war on drugs" is so bent on anti-Mary Jane campains.It is to draw attention from cocaine,heroin,and crack, the drugs that U.S. gov.
officals get there pocket money.

one point I would like to make.

America funded many inserections during the cold war, amoung them were the Muhajin, and Bin Laden. But across the dozens of inserection movements during the era, only these terrorist turned on their master.

Why must we ask did this happen? Is this indeed because the master had treated them any differently then any of its other rebels? After all, if the Muhajin turned, who really ended up USING who?

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Originally posted by Yoepus thank you for proving the thesis equation in my last point true with your previous reply. Verifying my statement's authenticity, to me and the other readers of this thread. I've proved me statements, it would be kind if you could in turn do the same to yours. lets just keep it at that, I don't want to drag this thread into areas it doesn't belong. well keep it as to why terrorist are angry.

Nothing better than the good ol' cold dry cynicism

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these islamic movements had nothing to do with palestine to begin with.

I wouldn't agree with you, most of the terrorist activity is in Israel, and all because of Palestine.

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America funded many inserections during the cold war, amoung them were the Muhajin, and Bin Laden. But across the dozens of inserection movements during the era, only these terrorist turned on their master.

Because there is a difference in mentality of the insurrection movements the US supported. Now, the insurrections in Africa and Latin America were not islamic, because an islamic movement in those places would fail, it could not find supporters. Now, in muslim countries, the only large movement that could be made and that would want to overthrow the government is the islamic movement. Now, if you put a small dictator in some african country, there's no way he's going to be a threat for the US, he will be more concerned about stealing money from his countries cash reserves, and waging wars against his neighbours than the US, the only interest in US will be as a weapons manufacturer.
On the other hand, radical islamists believe in Jihad, their holy war against all non-muslims. If someone is not a muslim, he should either be brougth to right faith, or killed if he refuses. They accept the help of the infidels from the US, but only because it serves the higher purpose, bringing people to faith in their country. But after they accomplish their goal, they're not going to stand by and watch as the decadent west world full of heretics not only allows, but supports a non-muslim country in the heart of their territorry. Not to speak that the west itself should be destroyed as well because it doesn't believe in the Kuran and all that crap.
So the first group of terrorists is more or les introvert, minding their own business. The other group however wants to change the whole world and either bring people to muslim faith or kill them, and to do that, they must strike at the heart of the western world, the US.
It's like letting a serial killer out of jail and tell him to kill someone you hate, and then be surprised when he comes after you.

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Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0 I wouldn't agree with you, most of the terrorist activity is in Israel, and all because of Palestine.

not really, how was the taliban's movement set up beacuse of the palestinian conflict for example? the movements who have specificaly been set up to use terror agianst israel, like the hamas and hizbollah have, yet to specifically attack an american target.

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