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Raphie
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Registered: Jun 2008
Location: Lelystad, Netherlands

quote:
Originally posted by SystematicX1
Following this subject and please guys, keep it going. Attempting to learn about this as much as possible..Which, prompted me to do some research.
I read an article at SOS and it spoke mainly to a mix rather than a master however, it was all lead up. From what I am taking in is that both L4C and Rann both have valid points at the same time, this article spoke of the difference in headroom achieved from a 32 bit - 64 bit Daw & analogue system. All were different.
Needless to say, the interest I have in this is the whole gain staging topic. This article seemed to agree with Rann in the fact that people do not realize that just turning things down can eliminate alot of problems. Using tremendously high level signals in a mix can lead to issues in the mix.
Is this a correct assessment? Or did I just troll the fuck out of this thread..lol


Sort of correct, without using plugins it doesn't matter as long as your master doesn't clip, you can hear the distortion/saturation by design in some daws.
Problems arise when badly designed plugins get fed a toomhot signal and clip internally.
With 32bit float file format (something else than a 64bit DAW) yo have virtual unilmited headroom before the master output


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Looney4Clooney
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Originally posted by DJ RANN
Bring it my biarch.

No clipping = no legit reason. And even if the MA wants it lower then just reduce the master on your finished file by that amount and print. The entire point of gain staging is to get the highest level and lowest noise floor without distortion. It's bonkers to try to mix to say 80% of you available headroom when there's an inherent relative noisefloor.


Most daws don't register an over if it is between samples

Now when the mastering engineer uppsamples ....

You have nothing to lose having your peak at - 12. Dbfs
So why risk it?

It doesn't matter. I get what you are trying to say. It doesn't matter as long as you don't clip but you are encouraging kids to actually aim for 0.

Inter sample distortion is not really an issue when you are listening on ear buds. But it is an issue that compounds with gain staging. Not all plugins deal with it as they should will it matter? No. Unless you are doing acoustic small ensembles, nobody cares. But it makes older people like me and Raphie to point.

I suppose i only gave a reason that is just something a professional would account for when there used to be standards. I understand that it is pedantic and not important but it is something most seasoned producers don't know about allowing some dick swinging on the forums.

Nested L2s with 2 instances of ozone preset club and then add a high shelf at 8 k to add some air and warm aliasing artifacts.

Sorry I'm not more present guys. Been busy.


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