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Originally posted by liquidxxd for one thing, the al aqsa mosque (not temple) is for muslims, not jews. it wasnt built as a temple, it was built as a mosque.

Yeah I'm sorry I wasn't sure what the English word for it is...

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Originally posted by liquidxxd in an earlier post on this thread, i said israel wasnt even the first choice of the jews for their holy land (someone please verify this), and i think it was somewehre in south america. lets say it is in south america, what are they going to do, take over the mayan temples and say "yea these were built for us".

Uganda was a first choice, it was a Zionist choice, I believe Benjamin Theodor Ze'ev Hertzel chose it, it was never a religous choice. I will not try to back up HIS theory though, just as I would not ask an Arab person to back a terrorist's way.

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Originally posted by oDrori Yeah I'm sorry I wasn't sure what the English word for it is... Uganda was a first choice, it was a Zionist choice, I believe Benjamin Theodor Ze'ev Hertzel chose it, it was never a religous choice. I will not try to back up HIS theory though, just as I would not ask an Arab person to back a terrorist's way.

ok cool, yea i knew it was someplace else i forgot to mention it was a zionist choice. i dont think we will ever know the reason for the terrorist action, at least the real reason.

edit: some people think they know the reason, but in all honestly, you cannot judge something that you dont know. i am not talking about judging the situation over there, i am talking about knowing what it is like to be a palestinian these days. all some people can think is they just want to kill innnocent people. some other people think it is revenge, but we dont really know

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Originally posted by liquidxxd edit: some people think they know the reason, but in all honestly, you cannot judge something that you dont know. i am not talking about judging the situation over there, i am talking about knowing what it is like to be a palestinian these days. all some people can think is they just want to kill innnocent people. some other people think it is revenge, but we dont really know

I honestly think I have a clue ... Israeli residents all feel pretty much alike these days I guess.

Some of them think we should all die. Others think there's a way for co existance, it's just that the other side has to back down a bit to fit some demands. Other would want this fuck up over with and what the hell let them have it if that makes them feel good. Some aren't allowed to know the proportions of several aspects and thus become extreme.

Some are good people no matter what way they fight for, some are scumbags.

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Originally posted by oDrori I honestly think I have a clue ... Israeli residents all feel pretty much alike these days I guess. Some of them think we should all die. Others think there's a way for co existance, it's just that the other side has to back down a bit to fit some demands. Other would want this fuck up over with and what the hell let them have it if that makes them feel good. Some aren't allowed to know the proportions of several aspects and thus become extreme. Some are good people no matter what way they fight for, some are scumbags.

do you live in israel?

"Are these unhappy people, the subjects of our King, in a state of rebellion or are they an injured people, whom we have invaded and with whom we are at war?

Are they within the reach of our laws; or are they to be judged by the law of nations? Are they to be viewed in the light of murderers, or as prisoners of war?

Are they British subjects at all, or a foreign enemy who has never yet been subdued and which resists our usurped authority and domination ... We are at war with them: they look upon us as enemies as invaders as oppressors and persecutors they resist our invasion. They have never been subdued, therefore they are not rebellious subjects, but an injured nation defending in their own way, their rightful possessions, which have been torn from them by force."

Letter written to a Launceston newspaper, 1831

Taken from

http://www.atsic.gov.au/news_room/A..._Fact/index.asp

The webpage of the Aboriginal and Torres Straight Islander Commission.

The aboriginal people also know what its like to be dispossessed, disenfranchised their very right to exist denied through cynical racist arguments,like "they dont have a country, they dont have any laws, they have no national identity"

Change the word aboriginal to palestinian. I think i made my point.

Nothing ever changes the world is always full of cowardly, cynical bullies who use their power to steal and murder and then try and conceal their crimes by either denying they ever happened or creating elaborate fictions so they can sleep at night.

I think some of the ppl here should learn more about Zionism before making such poor uneducated comments. If you think this was a spontaneous "ho! 2000 years are gone, lets go back to God's land" movement..think again.
Zionism has three motives: religion, history, pragmatical politics. The political circumstances outweighed though, they were the main trigger for the ideology.
By that I mean the fact that jewish people in Zaristic Russia(pogroms) but also in middle europe where their emancipation paradoxically caused strong antisemitc riots, became enemies, persecuted outcasts of society. That, accompanied by the Nationalism spirit that permeated Europe in the 19th century, was the hallmark for Zionism. For winning support a unifying argument was needed: the common hisory, the shared religion, language etc. etc.
So here you go, that's Zionism.

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Originally posted by liquidxxd do you live in israel?

Yes ... or maybe .

I guess the major most of the Israelis in this discussion are indeed living somwhere else right now.

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Originally posted by rupert Change the word aboriginal to palestinian. I think i made my point. Nothing ever changes the world is always full of cowardly, cynical bullies who use their power to steal and murder and then try and conceal their crimes by either denying they ever happened or creating elaborate fictions so they can sleep at night.

What exactly are we cowardly cinical bullies denying? What fictions have we made up?

You know what, while we're at that conotation, here's a lovely idea:
Why don't you change the word Aboriginal to Jewish?

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Originally posted by rupert Change the word aboriginal to palestinian. I think i made my point.

Interesting how the aborginese never developed terrorism and suicide bombing campagins against their 'oppressor'.

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Originally posted by melech_mike WHY CANT ANYONE TELL ME WHO THE PALISTINIANS ARE?? WHY CANT ANYONE ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS POSTED EARLIER. PLEASE ENLIGHTEN ME... IT SEEMS AS THOUGH I'M IGNORANT ABOUT THE SUPPOSED 'PALISTINIAN' PEOPLE!! ALL YOU PRO-PALISTINANS: ANSWER THE QUESTIONS!!!

Up yours!

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up mine... no no my little desert monkey... youd enjoy that a little too much....

why dont you try sticking it in the oven... nice and toasty in there!! try it, let me kow how it goes!

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Originally posted by Yoepus Interesting how the aborginese never developed terrorism and suicide bombing campagins against their 'oppressor'.

yea, they didnt have that technology, but they did their share of fighting back (if you mean american indians, if not, then read no further). if you want to call it terrorist act, the people (oppressors) that came on THEIR land, they (indians) would attack travelers and carvans and shit and then cut off their scalp.
they werent about the let their land just get trampled on and sit down and not do anything
and you guys are asking why palestinians are doing what they are doing. their land is being trampled on too. but its alright, they should just go along with it, shouldn't they?

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Originally posted by melech_mike up mine... no no my little desert monkey... youd enjoy that a little too much.... why dont you try sticking it in the oven... nice and toasty in there!! try it, let me kow how it goes!

First off.. this "little desert monkey" thing is not even funny... and second.. why are you trying to pis demon off even further.. same with Demon... dont respond to his replies if it makes you angry... both of you have taken this too far.

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