ok, i'm not sure anymore if you are joking or not because your arguments are so ridiculous that this will be my last try with you.

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Time gravity friction ect, Is all science, We are made to believe in it because it makes sense.

Better than believing in something that doesn't make sense. If you conduct experiments, you will se that it is just so and not different.
Besides, the moon and sun distance is not science, it's math. You can't dissaprove math because it truly is the same all the time.

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Unfortunatly I am forced to believe in time due to society. If you went to a society in lets say, Africa, Or some place where its only a tribe, Amazon or whatever, If you tried to talk to them about time, They would think your nuts. (Is their still any tribes out their that dont use anything?)

Well, time as hours, minutes, and seconds, yes, they wouldn't know (although i'm not sure if that's still the case nowadays)
But time in terms of before, after, long, short, day...it would not be considered stupid.

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and he left the amish people

wonder why? a smart person, obviously.

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And they dont believe in space, They dont believe in science, They dont believe in anything but god and what god gave them, Their land, Their house, Their families, ect.

Well, if I don't believe in you that doesn't mean you don't exist. Aditionally, god didn't give them their houses, they built them on their own. This shows that even if you are amish, you have to use some technological knowledge in your life, for building houses, plows, carriages, etc. That IS science, or at least was when those things were invented, at a very primitive level. God didn't give them their land, they took it from the indians when they used european technological inventions called sailing ships to travel to the new world. If it weren't for technology, there wouldn't be any amish. So even they own their existence to technology (woodcarving, engineering, compass, sail, cartography,...).

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God is pumping more materials into the earth. How cant he? He can do whatever he wants.

NEVER in nature has it ever been noticed that something does not concur with physical laws. Therefore, pumping matter into earth would mean earth getting bigger and bigger, heavier and heavier, in the end crushing us all under its gravity. Earth is NOT getting bigger, it's the same all the time. Its composition is also the same all the time. We would notice a change like that. At least we would notice huge amounts of needed materials sprouting everywhere.

Every atom of material wasted can be found in nature. So it is still there, it is not lost, therefore earth needs not get bigger, but there are two problems. First is that those atoms are now spread all over the place, and the second is that they heve made chemical connections with other materials, in fact making their extraction use more materials and energy than gaining from it.
And btw, earth is getting a little bigger all the time because of small meteorite impacts (wonder where they came from ) but it's neglegable amount.

You know, I believe that it was Newton who once said that the evidence that the god is perfect is that he corrected a perfect universe, where he doesn't have to interfere every once in a while to correct things.
Or maybe it was Kepler...
I forgot who it was. Doesn't matter anyways.

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What kind of research do we need? If its not on earth, We dont need it.

Few examples:
1. Making sure that no asteroid crosses the path of the earth and collides with it. If you think that won't happen, look at what happened in siberia at the turn of the century.
2. Learning more about cosmic radiation, and methods of protection from it
3. Observing ozone layer holes over the poles which threaten animal life.
4. Weather forecasts
5. Communications
6. Getting solar energy
7. Growing mineral structures that can't be grown on earth because of gravity, which will improve industrial tools.
8. In a possible scenario of earth being destroyed by huge asteroids or black holes, having an alternative home planet.
9. Communicating with alien races if we find any.
Hope these reasons are enough for you.

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And also, if their was space, Their supposably is no air in space, So why isnt all of our air going into space?

I think a 5 year old kid knows the answer to this one. Why don't the people on the south hemisphere fall down, but stay on earth? The answer is, much to your dissatisfaction, gravity. Gravity attracts oxygen molecules and makes them unable to drift into space. Have you finished elementary school?

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And I refuse to read any science book, Its evil, Science is playing God.

Ok, now here you've pissed me off.
How can you say something that brought you to where you are, something that helped you defend from viruses and bacteria, something that gives you more food and water than you need, something that you yourself use while typing the messages on this forum bad???
If you think it's evil, throw away your computer, light bulbs, refrigirators, vaccines, car, pencils, papers, everything, and go naked into the wilderness. If you don't do that, then you are a hypocrite, biting the very hand that feeds you, shitting on somethig that you use every day all the time.

Science is attempting to find out more about our world, and the results of it are amazing. Imagine a neanderthal guy see the world now. He'd think he's in heaven. TV, internet, constant availability of food, health insurance, 4 times his original lifespan...
Don't forget that the average lifespan of pre-industrial societies was 20 years or so. A 40 or 50 year old person was considered an elder. A person of your ages would by now probably have half his teeth destroyed, an arm or leg missing, he'd be starving, immune system so weak that a minor disease would bring him down.

Finally, you can NOT dissaprove or say that it is evil something you don't know anything about. Your attitude portrays a person who doesn't know at all what he's talking about and yet has a statement. I have read the bible (not very thoroughly though, I admit) and I am going to a science-oriented university (electrical engeneering) so I know at least something about both things. I won't say that the bible is evil, it was written with good intents, but the results are often not on the positive side. In fact, I think that if everyone believed in people, science, and progress, instead of gods, spirits and stuff, the world would have been a much nicer place to live in.

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The only reason you have such snappy comebacks is because you have been manipulated by a government (depending on where you live) or school (usually ran by the government) to believe it.

Have you ever asked yourself why? Why do the governments of all the countries give away so many resources for nothing? How can all those researchers not see that they are wrong about it all? Why are they all doing it? Why has nobody seen a fault in the system?

I'll tell you why. All the time in history when two civilizations meet which are at a different tech level, the one on a lower level looses, and gets dispersed or destroyed. Exceptions are very rare. You are not the only one who thinks this way, but when people like you get in power, the country then stagnates, and is soon overcome by other countries which have spent more money on scientific research.

My snappy response is because I one day want to be an engineer or a researcher. Sad thing is that I will use science to improve lives of people like you who will in turn dissaprove of it all and demand from the government that it cuts science funding. As I said earlier, I don't mind if you go to some forest, live your own way of life (without spreading anti-scientific propaganda, of course), and don't use any of the scientific innovations that are made. But using the very science (computers) to say that it's nonsense is just dishonest.

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Last edited by DrUg_Tit0 on Jan-11-2003 at 02:48