Ahhhh, so it isn't terrorism... I was mistaken, I am wrong...
Could you please enlighten me then Izzy? What would you call blowing up a civilian hotel that contained the British Military Command and Criminal Investigation Division?

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“blowing up a military installation... how revolutionary, surely no one thought of this in WW2 or WW1”

Your sardonic statement implies that this was not a terrorist act, that the King David Hotel was a strategic military target. Is that right? So anyone here can logically extrapolate from your argument that neutralizing a Hotel in World War 2 that contains the British Military (or perhaps any of the Allied forces) is righteous and purely strategical?

Let me recapitulate that which i neglected in the first of my posts on this thread.

ANYONE under certain circumstances will cause these terrorist acts, Arab DNA does not contain the terrorist gene.

http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_terrorism

Terrorism is purely subjective to perception

I apologise for letting passion get in the way with reason, i will try to remain apolitical from now on, but i will still punish ignorance, stupidity and propaganda from both perspectives of this Israel / Pallestine debate

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Originally posted by tathi Ahhhh, so it isn't terrorism... I was mistaken, I am wrong... Could you please enlighten me then Izzy? What would you call blowing up a civilian hotel that contained the British Military Command and Criminal Investigation Division? Your sardonic statement implies that this was not a terrorist act, that the King David Hotel was a strategic military target. Is that right? So anyone here can logically extrapolate from your argument that neutralizing a Hotel in World War 2 that contains the British Military (or perhaps any of the Allied forces) is righteous and purely strategical?

any hotel that contains the british military command is by no means civilian.

i am not dening that jews have committed acts of terrorism.

however that was the past. if you are going to tell me that, today, israel as country intentionaly kills innocent people then you are going to be barking up the wrong tree. for this reason israel can not be equated with the terrorism that the palestinians inflict at this point, not to mention that before abu mazen it was sponsored by the authority (ala arafat)

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ter·ror·ism :
The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing.


i thought id clear it up, cause it gets blurry......

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edit: in regard to izzy' post

You have missed (or ignored) the captious premise in my second post. Think of psychology

State sponsored / conventional, the only difference is that one has a bigger budget. The perpetrators both perceive they are in the right. This applies to every nation - every race.

And i agree with you that we should not bring up past events ( although at the time I needed an extreme example to appease that simpleton Viber ) the past should not hold any jurisdiction over our future.

Biology Lesson: Genetic differences within races are greater than that between races.

None of us are any different, we all think the same, our minds are shaped through our personal history, our ethical stance and perspective is entirely circumstantial. Our morals represents the sociocultural background that we grew up in, subtle indoctrination from parental figures, friends, and teachers, who have in turn received there hereditary cognitive idiosyncrasies from the previous generation. (although there are always exceptions)

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Originally posted by Albert Einstein "Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen."

Fighting fire with fire will not work in Israel.

Racism is pointless :/

Last edited by tathi on Aug-19-2003 at 07:08

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Originally posted by ProDiGaL ter·ror·ism : The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing. i thought id clear it up, cause it gets blurry......

that is indeed correct Prodigal, extrajudicial "justice" is terrorism

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Originally posted by ProDiGaL ter·ror·ism : The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing. i thought id clear it up, cause it gets blurry......

i use a different definition
terrorism = the intential targeting of innocent civilians by a person or an organized group for a political purpose.

by your definition israel is basicly in the clear. you said unlawful, firstly by who's law? secondly if you had a suicide bomber in your country from an outside orginization let alone a authority country that alone would be considered an act of war, and therefore you sould be able to fight (or terrorize) back. thirdly, i have never heard of any war in the world that is not included in terrorism. in ever war property and people are theartened by use of force or violence. in fact almost every country in the world has threated the use of force in their history everyone from the US, Germany, Vietnam to Cameroon. are you going to say that every country has state terrorism? the official definition is to broad, use mine instead

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Originally posted by tathi State sponsored / conventional, the only difference is that one has a bigger budget. The perpetrators both perceive they are in the right. This applies to every nation - every race.

Oh great! Let's blur the line even further, as if terrorism was not a broad enough term to begin with we have to add 'state sponsored' terrorism to the loop.

Look VIOLENCE = TERRORISM according to the dumb definition.. after all every act of violence scares someone. Therefore WAR = TERRORISM, and me saying I will come over to your house and hang you = TERRORISM.

However these are not what we have grown to understand as terrorism. Terrorism is the act of intentionally applying violence to achieve fear in a populace for political or ideological goals.

States that sponsor terrorism means states, i.e. nations or countries, that give money or aid to groups that commit these acts as their prime endevaour.

Nah but lets stick to semantics and what the dicitonary says so I change the meaning of everything so it makes me look clever. Come on, we all know what terrorism is. A tank blowing up another tank is not terrorism (even though it surely terrorize the crew of the tank that blew up), a suicide bomber exploding himself among civilians in a mall is. Why switch it around?

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Originally posted by tathi Ahhhh, so it isn't terrorism... I was mistaken, I am wrong... Could you please enlighten me then Izzy? What would you call blowing up a civilian hotel that contained the British Military Command and Criminal Investigation Division? Your sardonic statement implies that this was not a terrorist act, that the King David Hotel was a strategic military target. Is that right? So anyone here can logically extrapolate from your argument that neutralizing a Hotel in World War 2 that contains the British Military (or perhaps any of the Allied forces) is righteous and purely strategical?

Read the post again Izzy, come on, you can do it! You are a big boy now!

Why should i address your posts, when you have both clearly ignored 80% of mine?

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Yoepus Come on, we all know what terrorism is. A tank blowing up another tank is not terrorism

Ahh, so it isn't Israeli state sponsored terrorism? Because the Israeli armies tanks are blowing up the Palestinian's tanks.....

There was an interesting documentary on the other night, four people in the Israeli army held the arms and legs of an unarmed Palestinian as a 5th picked up a large rock, and began shattering his arms and legs. This was caught on camera...

The camera crew then proceeded to a Palestinian primary school, the Israeli army had been there the day before, apparently they didn't like the kindergartens art. Have you seen what 4 - 6 year old Palestinians draw? Maybe a rudimentary picture of themselves holding hands with their family underneath a rainbow?

No, these are 4 - 6 year olds, drew battlefields, blood everywhere, kids getting slaughtered by tanks.. They deemed the kids art "anti-semitic" so they covered it with their faeces.
What would you call this? The rules of war?

Read my 4th post in this thread again, and apply it to these children.

Give me another half arsed answer and i'll reply to your questions in kind.

Izzy and Yoepus, when you were 6 years old what did you like to draw?

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Originally posted by tathi Read the post again Izzy, come on, you can do it! You are a big boy now! Why should i address your posts, when you have both clearly ignored 80% of mine? Ahh, so it isn't Israeli state sponsored terrorism? Because the Israeli armies tanks are blowing up the Palestinian's tanks..... There was an interesting documentary on the other night, four people in the Israeli army held the arms and legs of an unarmed Palestinian as a 5th picked up a large rock, and began shattering his arms and legs. This was caught on camera... The camera crew then proceeded to a Palestinian primary school, the Israeli army had been there the day before, apparently they didn't like the kindergartens art. Have you seen what 4 - 6 year old Palestinians draw? Maybe a rudimentary picture of themselves holding hands with their family underneath a rainbow? No, these are 4 - 6 year olds, drew battlefields, blood everywhere, kids getting slaughtered by tanks.. They deemed the kids art "anti-semitic" so they covered it with their faeces. What would you call this? The rules of war? Read my 4th post in this thread again, and apply it to these children. Give me another half arsed answer and i'll reply to your questions in kind. Izzy and Yoepus, when you were 6 years old what did you like to draw?

I saw the sam documentary.. it was pretty sad...i cant blame them for feeling hate towards Israel when all they see is death.
Nice post tahti!

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Yet another suicide bombing.

One of the worst ones yet. Palestinian authorities should really start
taking control of their citizens if they want peace process to continue.

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