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Az
took me all the way back



Registered: Aug 2001
Location: Walking to John O'Groats for some spastics

quote:
Originally posted by guetag
ok..
you are the smartest guy on earth
Us,Britian,israel,france and more countries that support the attack of iraq are wrong..But AZ is right because he want peace..
stop being so "world saver" wannabe

So let me get this straight......
Because a guy who can't read past the 4th grade level wants to finish daddies job, I'm supposed to like it?
about 3 people support the war in Iraq in britain, just a shame those 3 people are the ones that make the decisions
Ariel Sharon wants to attack some arabs, nothing new there.....
I'm not sure France support the attack
Germany certainly don't
neither do Belgium, Holland etc....
I can't believe someones just tried to take the piss out of me for wanting peace!
and what the hell is a "world saver wannabe"?
6 cents!
your well on your way to buying this clue you so desperately need!

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Az
took me all the way back



Registered: Aug 2001
Location: Walking to John O'Groats for some spastics

quote:
Originally posted by guetag
Read This Smart guy

U.N. Security Council Resolution 688 (5 April 1991) condemned Saddam Hussein’s repression of the Iraqi civilian population. The resolution also requires Saddam Hussein to end his repression of the Iraqi people and to allow immediate access to international humanitarian organizations to help those in need of assistance.

Did they lift trading sanctions to allow him to do this? erm no

quote:

Saddam Hussein has repeatedly violated these provisions and has expanded his violence against women and children, continued his horrific torture and execution of innocent Iraqis.

So do many countries in the middle east, but they all sell Uncle Sam their Oil so they turn a blind eye
quote:

Saddam has continued to violate the basic human rights of the Iraqi people and has continued to control all sources of information (including the killing of over 500 journalists in the past decade).

North Korea, Singapore, Saudi Arabia, Iran, and countless other countries do this as well, do the Allies repeatedly bomb their borders?? think you know the answer
quote:

Saddam has also harassed humanitarian aid workers, expanded his crimes against Muslims, has withheld food from families that offer their children to his regime and has continued to subject Iraqis to unfair imprisonment.

Amnesty International say one of their biggest enemies is the chief of Los Angeles police department (according to the promotional video we were shown when I was at college), due to the improper practices that take place when people are imprisoned, and the harrassment amnesty international members recieve when they complain, yet again, does anyone care about that? you guessed it....

quote:

The government of Iraq uses military force to repress civilian populations throughout the county, resulting in the deaths of thousands and the destruction of entire villages.

So does Israel
quote:

Iraq has refused to allow the U.N.’s special Rapporteur for human rights to return to Iraq since his first visit in 1992. It has also refused to allow the stationing of human rights monitors as required by the U.N. resolution.

wasn't he the one that was accused of Spying?, and there was proof he was reporting to American intelligence.....

quote:

Iraqi authorities routinely practice extrajudicial summary or arbitrary executions throughout the country. The total number of prisoners that have been executed in the past five years runs into thousands, including hundreds of arbitrary executions in the last months of 1998 at Abu Gharib and Radwaniyah prisons near Baghdad.

You're not going to see me arguing that thats a good thing, but Iraq aren't the only country to have an improper judicial system
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In the 1970’s and 1980’s, the Iraqi regime destroyed over 300 Kurdish villages. The destruction of Kurdish and Turkomen homes is still going on in Iraqi-controlled areas of northern Iraq.

with weapons supplied by the Americans, who, I hasten to add, knew what the Iraqi's were doing!

quote:

In northern Iraq the government is continuing its campaign of forcibly deporting Kurdish and Turkomen families to southern governments. As a result, approximately 900,000 citizens are internally displaced throughout Iraq.

Where else does that kind of thing happen.....hmmmmm.......

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Iraqi security agents reportedly decapitated numerous women and men in front of their family members. According to Amnesty International, the victims’ heads were displayed in front of their homes for several days.

reportedly, no proper evidence....
quote:

Iraq’s 1988-1989 Anfal campaign subjected the Kurdish people in northern Iraq to the most widespread attack of chemical weapons ever used against a civilian population. In the town of Halabja alone, an estimated 5,000 civilians were killed and over 10,000 were injured.

as sponsored by the United States of America

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In 2000, the Iraqi authorities reportedly introduced tongue amputations as a form of punishment for persons who criticize Saddam Hussein or his family.

reportedly.......no real evidence of it happening though....
In Saudi Arabia peoples hands are amputated, yet America aren't bombing them......



quote:

There are widespread reports that food and medicine that could have been made available to the general public, including children, have been stockpiled in warehouses or diverted for the personal use of government officials.

where from? oh right, you copied and pasted this, don't know whether any of it's actuallytrue

Now I'm pretty sure Renegade or John Smith could come in and post a list twice as long of UN treaties that America, Britain, Israel, France etc... have broken......
and nothing you've posted there is good enough evidence to goto war over, if it was we'd be at war with pretty much everyone!
8 cents now!
how big a clue do you need?

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Az
took me all the way back



Registered: Aug 2001
Location: Walking to John O'Groats for some spastics

quote:
Originally posted by guetag
Saddam is a good guy ahh?


I never said that, he's a particularly evil man, but then again there are a fair few leaders of the world who are far from angels, and can actually cause a lot of harm to the world....
or are you just picking on him because he's an arab?

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Az
took me all the way back



Registered: Aug 2001
Location: Walking to John O'Groats for some spastics

quote:
Originally posted by guetag
so what are you saying?!
his an evil man but if the us don't kill other evil leaders
they should't kill him

thats exactly what I'm saying, it's not rocket science. You shouldn't have double standards for people who aren't receptive to western influences, and people that are......
then again North Korea also break as many (if not more) UN resolutions, they actually have nuclear weapons, and actively attack south korea regularly, yet nothing of note is happening to counteract the threat they pose to all human life on this planet.......
with any luck 12 cents is all you'll need to get the clue, and realise the war with Hussein is for nothing as noble as the Iraqi people, because when Hussein is toppled, the majority of people in Iraq still won't be represented, a member of the same clan as Hussein will be appointed, only he'll be more receptive to the west, and there big fat petrol guzzling SUV's.
Is that it?
I fucking hope so.......

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DJ_Skaya
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Registered: Jul 2002
Location: Washington DC

quote:
Originally posted by guetag
Saddam is a good guy ahh?



Obviously he was good enough for us to leave him in control of Iraq......

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DJ_Skaya
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Registered: Jul 2002
Location: Washington DC

quote:
Originally posted by guetag
ok..
you are the smartest guy on earth
Us,Britian,israel,france and more countries that support the attack of iraq are wrong..But AZ is right because he want peace..
stop being so "world saver" wannabe


What threat does Saddam pose to us again? Sure, he's a bad guy, no doubt, but we had our chance. Nothing he's done since is substantial enough for war on our part. Unless he does anything to us soon, any US strike would just be double Jeopardy and unjustified. As far as I can tell the people who want to attack him now are the real "World Savers" pushing their western ideals on to everyone else...

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King_Mack
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Registered: Oct 2002
Location: Toronto, Canada
Rasta

quote:
Originally posted by guetag
ok..
you are the smartest guy on earth
Us,Britian,israel,france and more countries that support the attack of iraq are wrong..But AZ is right because he want peace..
stop being so "world saver" wannabe


from what I read in this thread you arent too bright either, so stop criticizing ppl. YOu havent presented any argument on your behalf except that lame article that was beautifully denied by Az.

Thanks for coming out champ, see you next season.


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TheDemon
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Registered: Aug 2002
Location: Dark Sector World!

The thing is that Saddam is coaprating with the UN inspections.So there should be no reason to start the war.Of course you have to expect that he is not going to tell them everything.That's why they're there for.Either way,no matter what we say,War is emminint.This really bites.Thanks for nothing Bush,you goddamn looser.


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Izzy
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Registered: Apr 2001
Location: TX TA #5

quote:
Originally posted by TheDemon
The thing is that Saddam is coaprating with the UN inspections.


BS

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,77178,00.html

quote:

SHAWN: Bottom line, you think that Saddam, you think that Iraq is bugging your inspectors?

BLIX: Oh, I would think so. As much as they can.


in his report to the UN on the 27th, he reinstated that under resolution 1441 iraq must actively aid in the disarmenment and prove that they have stopped all programs into WOMD instead of being a passive partner and letting the UN do all the work. Blix said that this was not the case and that iraq was not doing enough on its part to aid the UN in doing its job properly


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joeh
NIAT



Registered: Jul 2002
Location: London, UK

quote:
Originally posted by Izzy
BS

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,77178,00.html



Foxnews has 0 credibility, there is no point in quoting anything they say.

read that - http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/s...,814967,00.html


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Az
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This is a partial transcript of Special Report with Brit Hume, Jan. 29, that has been edited for clarity.


Izzy stop picking out bits of the transcript that suit you, anyone can do that, for instance

SHAWN: Do you think they're trying to obstruct the inspectors, that they're trying to hide things and move them...

BLIX: No. No.


Anything owned by Rupert Murdoch cannot be trusted to be fair news...

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Izzy
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quote:
Originally posted by Az
This is a partial transcript of Special Report with Brit Hume, Jan. 29, that has been edited for clarity.


Izzy stop picking out bits of the transcript that suit you, anyone can do that, for instance

SHAWN: Do you think they're trying to obstruct the inspectors, that they're trying to hide things and move them...

BLIX: No. No.


Anything owned by Rupert Murdoch cannot be trusted to be fair news...


sheesh guys, i meant for you to read the whole article, just to get the impression that although iraq is cooperating they are not taking an active role and could be doing more in aiding the UN to prove they should not be the recipient of american force

joeh152, fox has no credibility? prove it!


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