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Originally posted by Eugene Porn is great, there is NOTHING wrong with it, and everybody should have the right to look at it, because we are human beings with biological needs and unfortunately not everyone can satisfy them. JohnSmith, IN YOUR FACE

??!? all i asked for was your opinion, this is not a competition man.

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Originally posted by Inertia i consider porn to be healthy

that explains nothing what so ever.

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Originally posted by nrjizer Like just about anything in life, everything in moderation. You can drink and drink until your liver bleeds out, or smoke until you have cancer, or eat pies all day until your obese. I think theres a clear line between healthy biological urges and pure obsession. Anyways, whats so bad about porn? Lets face it, every creature on earth is installed with a natural biological desire to reproduce. Theres nothing wrong with satisfying those urges in a harmless way, and unfortunately, not everyone has a girl/guy to help them out . Repressing them all the time isnt healthy, and people will end up doing drastic things to get rid of sexual aggression. Look in european countries like sweeden or switzerland where things like porn and sex arent strict taboo; their rates of rape and unwanted pregnancies are far lower than here in the U.S. And I hate to use this as an example, but look at the accusations of rape against the catholic priests. Or the teenaged mormon convert who comitted suicide because he couldnt resist the urge to masturbate. Its obvious that repressed sexuality is harmful. Btw, orgasams lower your blood pressure, reduce stress, and put chemicals into your blood that make you feel generally better all day. So I dont see whats so bad about it. No one forces girls in porn vids to do the deed (legal ones anyways). Like I said, theres a difference between looking at some porn and being obsessed, filling your HD's to the max with it, and subscribing to dozens of pornsites annualy

some people have a biological urge to beat their wives and kill people in new and interesting ways (and yes it happens amygdala and what not can get tumors that fuck you all up and it is then a physical process not a social construct).

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Originally posted by halo Top Post!! And FFS keep that religious/bible stuff out of this discussion.

no ill do as i wish

edit* the main reason i was doing it was because someone was asking for some clarification. Like i said. God/religion are not neccessary for morality. All ive heard is "it isnt bad" "its healthy" and other bs. EXPLAIN your view points otherwise what you are saying is fondly called an "asshole opinion" everyone has one adn they all stink.

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Originally posted by Orbax before i go into what is wrong...honestly answer what is RIGHT about. List all of its positive attributes. Im fascinated that you think its a healthy positive thing

Ok, you asked for it...

1. People want to do it, and it doesn't harm anyone.

(that's really enough, but I'll continue just for fun)

2. There is an obvious worldwide trend of an inverse relationship between the prevalence of pornography and the incidence of sex crimes. For example, Pakistan, where pornography is strictly banned, suffers from possibly the biggest rape problem in the world. In the US, pornography is far more common, but still less than, say, Germany (which, incidentally, has far fewer sex crimes as well).

3. It is a valuable economic contributor. Like it or not, porn is good for the economy - it keeps the money flowing.

4. It is a powerful weapon in the battle against the Calvinistic sexual repressiveness which characterizes many modern societies, including American society. Accepting our sexuality as a normal biological function not substantially different from eating, breathing, or walking down the street is an important step towards eliminating imprudent sexual behavior. The more open the discourse on topics of sexuality, the greater productivity that discourse may have.

I'd write more, but I've got to go.

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Originally posted by Orbax no ill do as i wish edit* the main reason i was doing it was because someone was asking for some clarification. Like i said. God/religion are not neccessary for morality. All ive heard is "it isnt bad" "its healthy" and other bs. EXPLAIN your view points otherwise what you are saying is fondly called an "asshole opinion" everyone has one adn they all stink.

Ok, first off, as you said it yourself... god/religion has basically nothing to do with morality. So keep off with it.

nrjizer an Arbiter brought some very interesting ideas, why porn is healthy for a society.
Now many morality arguments against porn and free sex is that sex is for reproduction only and should be performed for reproduction only... sex for fun is considered sin. That's why anal sex is prohibited by law in some States.
It's a proven fact, that sexual intercourse and orgasms form and strengthen social relations...
A very good example for that a the bonobos a subspecies of chimps. They live in small families where literally everyone has sex with everyone including homosexual intercourse. Those are btw. the only animals (except for humans) performing sex face to face.
Bonobo groups live very peaceful. Even minor differences are solved by copulating....

I think you get the idea... go serch the web.

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Originally posted by Orbax some people have a biological urge to beat their wives and kill people in new and interesting ways (and yes it happens amygdala and what not can get tumors that fuck you all up and it is then a physical process not a social construct).

Im sure that all of us at some time in our lives have had the urge to give some asshole a good ass kicking, or pound or computer desks/monitors in fury after getting fragged . Like I said, normal human emotions, but its how you deal with it is what counts. Some assholes beat their wives or mudrder people. Some can control their anger and vent it with out being destructive.

I dont see how psychopaths or people with damaging brain tumors fit into this argument tho. Beating your wife or killing people in new and interesting ways arent normal human urges

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Originally posted by Arbiter Ok, you asked for it... 1. People want to do it, and it doesn't harm anyone.

neither does a man living by himself who is an alcoholic, homeless people, or world hunger

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2. There is an obvious worldwide trend of an inverse relationship between the prevalence of pornography and the incidence of sex crimes. For example, Pakistan, where pornography is strictly banned, suffers from possibly the biggest rape problem in the world. In the US, pornography is far more common, but still less than, say, Germany (which, incidentally, has far fewer sex crimes as well).

look at japan, that fucked up stuff hentai rape and shit, and they treat women like shit, shockingly.

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3. It is a valuable economic contributor. Like it or not, porn is good for the economy - it keeps the money flowing.

so do cigarettes, nuclear weapons, and anthrax

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4. It is a powerful weapon in the battle against the Calvinistic sexual repressiveness which characterizes many modern societies, including American society. Accepting our sexuality as a normal biological function not substantially different from eating, breathing, or walking down the street is an important step towards eliminating imprudent sexual behavior. The more open the discourse on topics of sexuality, the greater productivity that discourse may have.

thats just pure opinion. just as mine is on the subject about what should and should not be discussed. By a girl holding her ass cheeks apart so two cocks can be in at once isnt exactly edifying or beneficial.

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Originally posted by nrjizer Im sure that all of us at some time in our lives have had the urge to give some asshole a good ass kicking, or pound or computer desks/monitors in fury after getting fragged . Like I said, normal human emotions, but its how you deal with it is what counts. Some assholes beat their wives or mudrder people. Some can control their anger and vent it with out being destructive. I dont see how psychopaths or people with damaging brain tumors fit into this argument tho. Beating your wife or killing people in new and interesting ways arent normal human urges

he never stipulated normal. he just said biological. plus who cares if its normal, like you said its how we deal with it. Instead of nutting up and asking a girl out to dinner, you whack off to some chick on a monitor and you are "satisfying" the urge for the moment. just like serial killers. There ARE healthier ways to vent urges then doing the most imeediately gratifying thing

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Originally posted by halo Ok, first off, as you said it yourself... god/religion has basically nothing to do with morality. So keep off with it. nrjizer an Arbiter brought some very interesting ideas, why porn is healthy for a society. Now many morality arguments against porn and free sex is that sex is for reproduction only and should be performed for reproduction only... sex for fun is considered sin. That's why anal sex is prohibited by law in some States. It's a proven fact, that sexual intercourse and orgasms form and strengthen social relations... A very good example for that a the bonobos a subspecies of chimps. They live in small families where literally everyone has sex with everyone including homosexual intercourse. Those are btw. the only animals (except for humans) performing sex face to face. Bonobo groups live very peaceful. Even minor differences are solved by copulating.... I think you get the idea... go serch the web.

well if its on the internet must be true

anyways. How much yah wanna bet most of the losers lookin at porn DONT have girlfriends? and you brought up the sin argument which is religion not morality, so relook that one again.

I think sex for fun is no problem in a steady relationship. there are very serious social ramifications for promiscuity *points to africa*

oh, and we arent monkies, dolphins rape eachother in the ass for hierarchy...doesnt mean we should

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Originally posted by Orbax some people have a biological urge to beat their wives and kill people in new and interesting ways (and yes it happens amygdala and what not can get tumors that fuck you all up and it is then a physical process not a social construct).

People don't have a biological urge to hurt others. If you are to strip man down to its absolute natural state, the only reason it would hurt someone is for selfish reasons.
People who beat their wives have alot of built up anger, are very ignorant, aren't able to control themselves (and the list of reasons goes on and on).
And also, if you want to keep the biological urge arguement,
where is teh harm in entertaining a biological urge to wank it to looking at pictures or movies of people doing it compared to the harm of beating your wife?

Porn is not wrong to look at, it is a beautifal thing :-D

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