mp3'z helped not destroyed. like sum1 sed be4, without them, sum major artists eg. l-vee would be unknown.

alot of other dj'z agree with that n all

tiesto, sander kleinenberg, lucien foort, avb, ferry, gielen, talla 2xlc. Where would they be if mp3's of their sets had not got around then again, i bet dj maytag never took that into account.

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Originally posted by DJMaytag Ppl with no respect for the music that rip it off is likely to be a main casue of it. I think Lightning/Bonzai is going to be the first of many that are going to fall this year if illegal filesharing continues.

Im not about to rule out the possibility that MP3's may do damage to certaina spects of the music industry (I dont believe so in this case but anyway...) however I dont think you understand that there is no possible way that MP3's can be the sole cause of the decline opf lighting records and/or any other record labels. Thats an ignorant and misnformed opinion. Also the comeback "whatever makes you sleep easier" is getting a little tired as a reply to a discussion, dont you have any other valid points to support your view?

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Originally posted by T_2199 How many ppl in America would know Trance without mp3??!! Without mp3 tiesto + many others big djs would be almost unknown!

And you've come right back with an even more ridiculous comment!

I've been BUYING trance compilations, mix CD's, and records since 1992, thank you. I did very well for myself sifting thru the record shelves finding things I liked, without ANY help from the internet or music stealing. Bonzai was also a name I knew a decade ago, and I am saddened to see them go.

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Originally posted by DJMaytag And you've come right back with an even more ridiculous comment! I've been BUYING trance compilations, mix CD's, and records since 1992, thank you. I did very well for myself sifting thru the record shelves finding things I liked, without ANY help from the internet or music stealing. Bonzai was also a name I knew a decade ago, and I am saddened to see them go.

Are you going to answer my question or would you just like to dodge it like you have so far?

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Originally posted by torontotrance tiesto, sander kleinenberg, lucien foort, avb, ferry, gielen, talla 2xlc. Where would they be if mp3's of their sets had not got around then again, i bet dj maytag never took that into account.

I understand the argument that many DJ's have gotten more exposure due to mp3 sharing, and that's great for them personally, but not so much for the record labels.

If you triple your exposure, that helps support a DJ who can make big bucks playing at gigs, but that increase means NOTHING if it's due to a quantity of people who aren't going to buy the music (and you could even argue that the "well, it's not gonna harm anyone" attitude could be "infecting" the original customer base, furthur shrinking the number of paying customers.)

So in the case of many DJ's, they'll agree that mp3 has helped them, but press furthur and I bet they'll tell you it's at a loss to their own record sales.

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maytag, you're a moron! how the hell am i supposed to keep up with new trance releases when i live in the USA??? there are just 3 or 4 vinyl stores in this metropolitan area of 3 million and none of 'em care to stock trance. so i have to go order online..and if i don't know what the records sounds like then why would i pay $12 each to buy them??

and be more creative..don't name yourself after a dishwasher.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery Are you going to answer my question or would you just like to dodge it like you have so far?

I think I illustrated my point quite nicely. If increasing awareness of something comes at it's detriment, I'd rather NOT increase it's awareness.

Record store were carrying trance a decade ago. Magazines were being printed a decade ago. All the information needed to find out about trance and other forms of underground dance music were there, long before the internet boom and even longer before the file sharing revolution.

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Originally posted by DJMaytag I think I illustrated my point quite nicely. If increasing awareness of something comes at it's detriment, I'd rather NOT increase it's awareness. Record store were carrying trance a decade ago. Magazines were being printed a decade ago. All the information needed to find out about trance and other forms of underground dance music were there, long before the internet boom and even longer before the file sharing revolution.

You haven't answered anything. All you gave were your own assumptions and opinions. No facts.

BTW - why are you hosting trance mp3s in your sig if you're against them?

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Originally posted by Excite maytag, you're a moron! how the hell am i supposed to keep up with new trance releases when i live in the USA??? there are just 3 or 4 vinyl stores in this metropolitan area of 3 million and none of 'em care to stock trance. so i have to go order online..and if i don't know what the records sounds like then why would i pay $12 to buy it?? and be more creative..don't name yourself after a dishwasher.

There were ZERO dedicated vinyl shops in my metropolitan area of half a million in 1992. There were however, a few independent stores that stocked a number of CD's and the occasional vinyl. Also, there were a number of bookstores that carried magazines that had reviews of different releases.

Often times, I had NO idea what the CD's sounded like that I was buying a deacde ago. I pretty much had to go by trial and error until I got a feel for what I liked. After a short period, I could gauge the quality of a CD by the tracklisting, and often times I was surprised to find that I liked the tracks by the artists I DIDN'T already know better than the ones I knew!

This was all LONG before file sharing, mind you.

As far as now, why don't you try shopping at online sources that have audio samples? Most major stores do have samples of the records they sell, so you can know what you're buying.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery You haven't answered anything. All you gave were your own assumptions and opinions. No facts. BTW - why are you hosting trance mp3s in your sig if you're against them?

I agree.

Also - about the other forms of information. You can't deny that there is anohter medium of information as efficient and widespread as the internet and Tranceaddict when it comes to trance. I've learnt more on this site about trance than I wouldve ever learnt in reading a full yearly subscription to any magazine. With all the stuff ive read on here ive become more familiar with the music i like and managed to fine tune my tastes. As a result of this if I can find something to buy that suits my tastes - ill buy it even thought i could download it.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery You haven't answered anything. All you gave were your own assumptions and opinions. No facts. BTW - why are you hosting trance mp3s in your sig if you're against them?

Ahh, let me catch you up to speed. I am 100% against illegal sharing of individual songs, notably full rips. I'm also against sharing rips of commercial CDs.

Both of the above DO impact sales of records (why buy a vinyl when you can burn a CD and pop it in a CDJ-1000?), compilations (why by a comp when I've already got the best songs from the CD?), and DJ mix CD's (why buy the mix when I can download rips of entire CD?)

The sharing of livesets is a bit of a gray area, but I don't think that they reduce sales of DJ's mix CD's because they're not the same as the ones being sold, and often are of a lower sound quality.

The "hosting" you note that I am doing, is of my own amateur DJ mixes. They are not of any significant mp3 quality (some 96kbps, some 128kbps) and I don't think that someone it going to eschew buying a Tiesto or Oakie mix CD in favor of downloading one of my personal mixes.

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