nah im just interested in your experiences. Look, the thing is that your description of "18 years of Zionist atrocities" doesn't make sense to me, it just contradticts my hisotrical knowledge. No offense I was just really curious as to what exactely you mean

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Originally posted by ZinG occrider and Yoepus i've seen 18years of Zionist atrocity in my fucking country! I lived there those 18 years! I've seen it, don't come and tell me what those people you call Zionists were just defending themselves! plz don't let my blood boil. heh you won't fucking understand what war means until you live it so stop supporting war

I'm not arguing with what you've seen. And I most certainly can't argue with you unless you articulate what the 18 years of atrocities that you've seen are. What people are you referring to? All those Jews ? Well I've seen palestinians "defending themselves" on tv as well ... usually against those dreaded buses and marketplaces. Hate flows both ways you know. And I understand war well enough thank you very much.

occrider have you lived a war?
have you ever seen rockets and bombs passing over your head?
i'm curious to know

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Originally posted by occrider I'm not arguing with what you've seen. And I most certainly can't argue with you unless you articulate what the 18 years of atrocities that you've seen are. What people are you referring to? All those Jews ? Well I've seen palestinians "defending themselves" on tv as well ... usually against those dreaded buses and marketplaces. Hate flows both ways you know. And I understand war well enough thank you very much.

i am not refering to jews, now you're puting words in my mouth
I am refering to that zionist movement that has got so vicious that its only aim is to exterminate and claim land.

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Originally posted by DJMaytag It seems as if the Zionists are rooting out Palestinians much in the same way the US rooted out the Native Americans, only we stopped and gave them a place of their own (reservations.) If the US continued to act like the Zionists currently are, then we'd be trying to occupy the Indian reservations in the US.

Bad/False Analogy

If Native Americans were strapping bombs to themselves and detonating them in shopping malls and launching missiles from their reservations at nearby civilian population centers, you bet the U.S. would send in special forces to subdue them, no doubt resulting in the loss of innocent lives along with the guilty.

And they would be justified in doing so.

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Originally posted by ZinG occrider have you lived a war? have you ever seen rockets and bombs passing over your head? i'm curious to know

I was in Croatia briefly at the start of the war before getting evacuated. But I don't need to SEE it to know it. I know perfectly well how it's a terrible thing and what is involved in conflict, that doesn't mean that I can't make an educated judgement about war since I've never "lived" in one. By the same regards I can say to you how can you make any kind of argument about war if you've never fought on the front lines of one? You've only experienced it from the sidelines as a civilian, so how can you know what war is REALLY like? The point is, is that I'm not going to say that because I'm not going to belittle or patronize your understanding of a given situation even if you don't have first hand experience of it.