I meant prevent the crowd from worshipping the DJ, the show shouldnt be about worshiping the iconic DJ, the center of attention shouldnt be the DJ, it should be the party itself, which was the whole reason for typing

"or find some other way to make the crowd not face the DJ and stare at him the entire party, and instead focus on dancing and on the dancefloor."

I can make you sound just as stupid by only quoting part of your post and taking it out of context, learn to read.

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Originally posted by Zombie0915 I meant prevent the crowd from worshipping the DJ, the show shouldnt be about worshiping the iconic DJ, the center of attention shouldnt be the DJ, it should be the party itself, which was the whole reason for typing "or find some other way to make the crowd not face the DJ and stare at him the entire party, and instead focus on dancing and on the dancefloor." I can make you sound just as stupid by only quoting part of your post and taking it out of context, learn to read.

i didnt take anything out of context, the context is obvious through the thread, and the sentence i quoted was not dependent on any of the other sentences.

and i know what you meant, i was just showing you the implications of it, because it seemed like you are either unaware of it, or just plainly forgot it.

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Originally posted by RebeL9 I dont agree. If you look back when trance was underground there were lots of quality productions though there were not as many producers as today.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

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i was thinking about this the other day belive it or not - if trance ever had problems i.e. trance producers stopped making trance i would continue the quality style that has kept me listening to trance since 98' and get as many ppl as possible making more tunes !

i havent ever tried properly to produce trance but i would give up my life to learn how if trance stopped being made !

p.s. im learning now!

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Originally posted by _Ocean_Drive_ Do you go to school/work everyday for the "love of it"?

p.p.s your sig sux sort out the color and image quality

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Originally posted by daeus p.p.s your sig sux sort out the color and image quality

hahaha nice lol SORT THAT SHIT BITCH

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Originally posted by Zombie0915 I would ensure that no trance music related paraphanelia ever be made into stickers that kids put on their cars, t-shirts, soundbites in the background of tv shows, samples for radio station blurbs, commercials, TV show theme songs, fads for high school children, cell phone rings(!), obnoxious web page background music, patches that kids sew onto their clothes, hats(especially the trucker hats), and any other random silly trends. Instead trance music would be available only as an object in the form of music that one listens to for the fun of it, NOT background material for marketing!

Agreed. Trance needs to be de-commercialized.
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Originally posted by CleverName I love the slash through the O in his name. People who have those slashoes always have the best name. Soren Kierkegaard, Trentmoller, all of 'em.

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Originally posted by *InVeRs3* Why don't you want people to listen to stuff you like? Why is it bad for good trance to go mainstreme?

more music made for money. More labels forcing artists to adhere to a strict formula, and discouraging experimentation. Those same labels forcing djs and radios to favour and play such formula tracks. Increasing lack of original tracks becoming popular, ultimately leading to staleness.

At least thats what I've seen with other genres.



Maybe the only thing that can save is the internet. But that would require people making music without the intention of making money from it, and djs doing the same..... Submitting mixes on the net, using tracks made by people making music as a hobby, gaining a following through word of mouth.

Haven't figured how livesets could work...

meh. I'm just brainstorming.

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Originally posted by Aquarian steer it further into mainstream

idiot thats why trance has gone shit blame people like tiesto for that its all about the money making cheesy wank music when stuff goes mainstream.
As for what i would do with trance i would put in the bin and start it over in underground clubs having people produce quality tunes doing it for the love of the music and not to make a quick buck.

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Originally posted by _Ocean_Drive_ Do you go to school/work everyday for the "love of it"?

People go to work cose they have to not cose they love it.
People dj/produce music cose they love it so yeah they deserve to get ripped for being in it for the money.
I dont know how u can compare the two

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when trance evolves into something in the next decade and people start calling it booty-goth trance, people are going to complain about it just like people complain about how today's rock sucks compared to back then.

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2 things:

- Make all online radio shows MUCH less frequent. ASOT is once a week. Let`s drop it to once a month, so that the most hyped up radio show there is can actually be WORTH hyping up. Kill all the pointless ones too, that means all of Suzy Solar`s 30,000 radio shows are GONE!

- Take Belgian trance out of all of your `pointless, awful, shitty cheese` collections and actually listen to it. Don`t base all of your opinions on a few songs from a few years ago, not every Belgian trance song is like Castles In The Sky. Whether you like it or not, Belgian trance still produces the same feelings/vibes/emotions as it was in 1999 & 2000, whether you want to admit it or not. Although the new Lasgo & Milk Inc. tracks are more electro, they still give you the same feeling as the Astroline tracks from 1998. There are new releases coming soon from Jessy, Ian Van Dahl, Lasgo, Sylver, Milk Inc., Peter Luts, Anneke Van Hoff & DHT. Although Minimalistix, Kira, Orion Too, Kate Ryan & Astroline are all GONE, there are still consistent Belgian trance artists out there.

lets not vote tiesto #1 dj this year that will learn him

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Originally posted by tieann - Take Belgian trance out of all of your `pointless, awful, shitty cheese` collections and actually listen to it. Don`t base all of your opinions on a few songs from a few years ago, not every Belgian trance song is like Castles In The Sky. Whether you like it or not, Belgian trance still produces the same feelings/vibes/emotions as it was in 1999 & 2000, whether you want to admit it or not. Although the new Lasgo & Milk Inc. tracks are more electro, they still give you the same feeling as the Astroline tracks from 1998. There are new releases coming soon from Jessy, Ian Van Dahl, Lasgo, Sylver, Milk Inc., Peter Luts, Anneke Van Hoff & DHT. Although Minimalistix, Kira, Orion Too, Kate Ryan & Astroline are all GONE, there are still consistent Belgian trance artists out there.

lets not exaggerate

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Originally posted by RebeL9 lets not exaggerate

How the fuck was I exaggerating?

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Originally posted by tieann - Make all online radio shows MUCH less frequent. ASOT is once a week. Let`s drop it to once a month, so that the most hyped up radio show there is can actually be WORTH hyping up. Kill all the pointless ones too, that means all of Suzy Solar`s 30,000 radio shows are GONE!

Tieann, Dont be a player hater. If ya do not like Suzy's shows, dont tune in. No one is forcing you to listen.

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Originally posted by Ian^ I'd prevent the death of marino stephano, leaving him able to continue his legacy of good works, I'd stop Oakenfold going shit. I'd stop all the remakes of classics and inject originality and creativity. I'd see all producers using only hardware, as it was fine when this was the case. There would be a good amount of money available to the people who were undoubtedly the best, ie. people such as oliver lieb, the ferry of 1998-2002, Origin, Vincent De Moor etc. I'd make tech-trance how it was, techy with only slight trance moments, not the 'tiesto' bandwagon that isn't anything like it used to be. Progressive would go back to being melodic & progressing, and not just boring loops of fluff, people like quivver, cass & slide, tilt etc.

Oh my god... ian..
You've said it all for me !! If you hadn't written this stuff down, I'd write the same things...

SO true..

I dunno why but.??
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Originally posted by Dj Ahter Oh my god... ian.. You've said it all for me !! If you hadn't written this stuff down, I'd write the same things... SO true.. I dunno why but.?? THANK YOU Ahter Sönmez

Definetly well written, Ian.

Also, I'd make sure there are less trance fans... somehow??

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What i would do to change trance is change the metre. I thought of this the other day - most songs have a 4/4 metre and up until recently many new tracks have remained original and different using just that one type or metre. Think of how amazing it would be if trance producers started using different metres? There are so many more out there.

And i was just reading up on Wikipedia and they were talking about this "Polymetre" - OMG two different metres playing at once? Unless producers already do this and i just haven't noticed...

The article is here: Click Me

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Originally posted by mwas What i would do to change trance is change the metre. I thought of this the other day - most songs have a 4/4 metre and up until recently many new tracks have remained original and different using just that one type or metre. Think of how amazing it would be if trance producers started using different metres? There are so many more out there. And i was just reading up on Wikipedia and they were talking about this "Polymetre" - OMG two different metres playing at once? Unless producers already do this and i just haven't noticed... The article is here: Click Me

That stuff is SO gonna spoil your trip.

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Originally posted by Parpyparpy I would make more artists create more artist albums.. like sasha.

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Originally posted by Soonmeister Just imagine if you had the Fate of Trance in your hand what would you do with it, what would you change, how would you change it etc etc Comments.....

i don't have to imagine it. everyone here has it, it's called spending power & word of mouth. BUY music from artists you like. BRAG about those you enjoy.

for instance, i listened to whirloop - modify my earth . it fucken rocks my motherfuckenmind. it tingles and teases my neurons. there, me BRAGGING about it. now i would BUY if it was released, but it's not.

BUY & BRAG. do the same.

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Originally posted by *InVeRs3* when trance evolves into something in the next decade and people start calling it booty-goth trance, people are going to complain about it just like people complain about how today's rock sucks compared to back then.

We are not complaining for the gradual loss of the quality in trance!!! We are complaining about the loss of the specifical 95-2000 TRANCE quality, the meanings the atmospheres and everything that put us in from the begining!
To the ppl who complain today it would be the same shit the trance in 2010 in 2020 and so on if it won't be the era of 95-2000! It doesn't matter ! QUALITY OF 95-2000 TRANCE is the deal nothing else!that feeling must remain forever ! It could be evolved technically etc yes but the feeling and the deepness of that era must remain!

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Originally posted by feidias It doesn't matter ! QUALITY OF 95-2000 TRANCE is the deal nothing else!that feeling must remain forever ! It could be evolved technically etc yes but the feeling and the deepness of that era must remain!

Lest someone invents a time machine, you're fvcked.

And on a side note, exclamation marks at the end of every sentence does not exactly make you sound more intelligent.

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Instead of criticizing my attitude (I can't understand y u think i i am trying to be intelligent never intended so)try criticizing the meaning of my reply and what i try to say
Thanks

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Originally posted by feidias Instead of criticizing my attitude (I can't understand y u think i i am trying to be intelligent never intended so)try criticizing the meaning of my reply and what i try to say Thanks

I did.

I already stated you're never going to get either that feeling or that music back. Live with it.

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see to that 1/10 of all track are the only ones getting release..

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ive never had a problem with trance being more mainstream. as been said it creates the room for people to make the scene worthwile to work in, tho there is a fine line between that and the scene being too milked for its own good

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Originally posted by feidias We are not complaining for the gradual loss of the quality in trance!!! We are complaining about the loss of the specifical 95-2000 TRANCE quality, the meanings the atmospheres and everything that put us in from the begining! To the ppl who complain today it would be the same shit the trance in 2010 in 2020 and so on if it won't be the era of 95-2000! It doesn't matter ! QUALITY OF 95-2000 TRANCE is the deal nothing else!that feeling must remain forever ! It could be evolved technically etc yes but the feeling and the deepness of that era must remain!

nice work n00bxorrs....



Yeah,

every one of us wants trance to be popular, but no-one wants it to be commercialised.... kinda hypocritical...

we have a contradiction here, so you need to work out a solution to it, so we get the positives of both.

u need to keep it in the underground, away from the big asshole labels, and keep it with people that will respect it, adn stop it from going too commercialy, if u know what i mean....

BTW!!!!

wtf is wrong with like trance bumper stickers, RINGPHONES etc.???!?!??!?!

WTF do u ppl have against expression. i love trance, and i want to tell the world i do... what's the problem with that....

The main problem being that nobody gives a shit that you like trance, therefore you project yourself as an obnoxious moron.

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Originally posted by Aiwendil The main problem being that nobody gives a shit that you like trance, therefore you project yourself as an obnoxious moron.

as we say in the bronx... hatehatehatehatehatehate damn!


anyway, trance being mainstream may not be such a good thing. look at hiphop in america. for the most part it freakin blows now! rappers are making millions off of ridculously shitty beats and half-assed lyrics. it sucks and its scary that people are so into it and the culture that worships (it seems) money.

if i control the fate of trance id let more of the independents release some songs... like us. a lot our fellow TAs songs are good and i wish i had them on vinyl. i dont think our scene or the contracts should ALL be reserved for the big namers.

...eh who knows. actually i dont think id want such an enormous responsibility.

ive heard this mainstream/underground argument before. just to get things a little clearer, the people who dont like mainstream are the people who understand that mainstream music breeds simple and lazy musicians who stick to a certain "mainstream" style.

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Originally posted by cistane the people who dont like mainstream are the people who understand that mainstream music breeds simple and lazy musicians who stick to a certain "mainstream" style.

Many of the people that don't like mainstream just do so because it's 'cool'.

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Originally posted by Aiwendil The main problem being that nobody gives a shit that you like trance, therefore you project yourself as an obnoxious moron.

Dude, u don't fucking know me, and what i was saying was just to use as an example, u dick. I don't have any trance bumper stickers, or a trance ring tone. I just believe that if people like something, and wish portray a certain image that goes with it, they should be free to do so. If they don't want to, that's fine.

I'm sorry that ur a souless retard, who stands for nothing. I bet you're a fucking nerd, who sits there in his big glasses. WHen a person looks at u, they look at a looser, a dull, boring, person, who seems to have no interests or passion.

If other people love something enough, and want to present themselves that way, u should just leave them and have admiration for them, rather than trying to bring them down, u looser.

Retards like you, are the reason why people are afraid to speak out. Retards like you are the reason, why teenage girls get anorexia and teenage boys beat people up. YOur the fuckign reason why we have a society of conformist retards. People like you are the reason why there's music out there that is the same shit. Because you promote conformity, and u bash anyone that steps out of the circle

Just let people be, and stop criticising them for liking something.

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Originally posted by Aiwendil The main problem being that nobody gives a shit that you like trance, therefore you project yourself as an obnoxious moron.

obnoxious hypocritical prick

I would steer it back into something... you know... original? Repeating the same formula from 1998 is not OMFG AMAZING.... it's boring, and you all know it.

I would like to hear more uplifting trance instead of progressive and tech-trance.

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