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Originally posted by Kev Boy Jeremy1984 The best way to hear a key is by using a keyboard or other musical instrument. There has been much discussion here about using these programmes to key records, but I wouldn't touch them with the biggest barge pole you could find me! If they work for other people then great, but I've seen so many mistakes listed it puts real doubt in your mind. It isn't difficult after some practise, only have to be able to match the note that is playing on your record with a note on your keyboard. At first it is difficult but it is best in the long run.

I kind of guessed that programs wouldnt be that reliable.. And in the end, training your ear is always better than trusting some stupid software

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Originally posted by qualia jeremy i was in the same situation when i first started mixing... but your ear essentially needs to be trained to know the keys sound like. what i might recommend is playing a few songs that you know the key to, and then play the root note on an instrumental along with it at the same time. you could even play the root major/minor chord as well... do this for several songs and then try finding the root note/chord for a new song that you don't know the key too, it will start to click when everything is in key (although it takes time, have patience)... just a reminder, if you don't have an instrument you can download re2 from [[ LINK REMOVED ]] it includes a full midi piano that you can control with the keyboard (midi meaning you can make it sound like a guitar or any other instrument that suits you)... cheers!

Like i said.. i have never played an instrument so that's a big problem! But I will definitely try with the software midi piano


Thank you both for your advices

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the best way i can describe when you hit a note on key is that it "resonates" in energy with the rest of the sound, and you're not necessarily looking for a match in pitch since octaves repeat themselves...

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Originally posted by jeremy1984 What is the best way to learn to hear keys? I havent played any instruments so I can not tell in what key a song is.. I can of course hear when a mix is awful or "in key", but not in which key it is

To be able to hear keys of tracks you really need to play an instrument or be born with perfect pitch.
It takes a lot of practice and it is said that some people will never be able to do it (I don't beleive that personally)
But I think if you love music and you have the desire, pick up a guitar or keyboard and start learning. If you don't hear it already then this would be the best bet for you.

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I'm sorry for sounding like a complete noob but i don't understand any of this, even though I would like to. What does all of the " Fm(4A) G#m(1a) G#m(1a) Bm(10A) " mean and how do you know what notes are in each key? And also, how do you classify a certain song to a certain key? It would be great if someone could answer my question or direct me to a site with the answer. Again sorry for sounding so noobish.

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There is a whole bunch of music theory behind this thread but don't be put off by that.

However, if you do indeed intend to start to key your own tracks you will require a certain amount of musical knowledge even if it is just how to play certain chords on keyboard or guitar.

You can however rely on the key detection of the other users in this thread but you wouldn't be able to get the key of a track that only you had for example.

We have explained it a few times in this thread but I can understand why it would be less than easy to find it at this stage in the game.

Bottom line is that you need just a tiny bit of musical knowledge to do this well.

The numbers refer to the Camelot method of placing tracks together and the letter with small 'm' etc. are just the regular terms in music.
Familiarise yourself with these concepts first and then we can start talking how to go from there.

Cheers
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does anyone has the key for kuffdam & plant - Summer Dream ?

maybe this is a dumb question, but there are too many pages to figure out what's going on here. what is the importance of keying all these songs. remixing?

I dunno if this really works for you guys, but it sorta does for me... i dont have any real musical knowledge, but i sorta understand the concepts on keying n what goes with what...

i have 3/4 of my tracks keyed, and what i do to try find out ones that dont is sorta a way of cancelling certain keys out...

for example; if i mix in the unknown track with a Dm n it fits in... ill mix it in with both a Gm and an Am ... if the track fits in with the A i will try mix it in with keyed songs that go with A..vice versa, until i find a key that will match with all the other keys that it mixes in well with... its not 100% accurate, but it helps me to get an idea what i can and cant mix these songs with....

will htis method work ??? or am i wasting time, its worked for me with ATN - Miss a Day

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Originally posted by deano1_ maybe this is a dumb question, but there are too many pages to figure out what's going on here. what is the importance of keying all these songs. remixing?

To help people who can't key tracks to mix harmonically.

~Cheers
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Originally posted by Nikolas Vaughn I dunno if this really works for you guys, but it sorta does for me... i dont have any real musical knowledge, but i sorta understand the concepts on keying n what goes with what... i have 3/4 of my tracks keyed, and what i do to try find out ones that dont is sorta a way of cancelling certain keys out... for example; if i mix in the unknown track with a Dm n it fits in... ill mix it in with both a Gm and an Am ... if the track fits in with the A i will try mix it in with keyed songs that go with A..vice versa, until i find a key that will match with all the other keys that it mixes in well with... its not 100% accurate, but it helps me to get an idea what i can and cant mix these songs with.... will htis method work ??? or am i wasting time, its worked for me with ATN - Miss a Day

I guess that method would kinda work. If you use a guitar or a piano though it takes about 20-30 seconds to find the key and you can be sure its the right key.

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There seems to be a bit of confusion regarding the true pitch adjustment for a change of one semitone (also known as a "half-step"). Some posts indicate it is 4.5% and others indicate it is 6%. In reality, it is just about 6%.

A shift of one full octave would be a 100% change, or doubling in frequency. This octave is divided into 12 equal intervals, each of which is one semitone. A shift of one semitone is the "twelfth root" of two, or the number that multiplied by itself 12 times will equal two. That number will be just under 1.06%, which for all practical purposes is a 6% shift upwards. Let's forget the 4.5% figure, and standardize on the 6% figure.