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Originally posted by system-7 that was my answer, but you present two absolutes yes or no. also, separation of church and state was setup to protect the church from the state, not the other way around. Isn't this why the pilgrims then colonist settled in new england?

No it was created for protection of both. So that the state doesn't intervene in religious proceedings that it shouldn't, and that the religious don't intervene in state proceedings when they shouldn't. This was to create EQUAL PROTECTION FOR ALL.

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Originally posted by bas Undies with a dickhole aren't good for guys. Your balls can get caught in them. That's why I prefer to go over the gate instead of through the fence.

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Originally posted by gehzumteufel No it was created for protection of both. So that the state doesn't intervene in religious proceedings that it shouldn't, and that the religious don't intervene in state proceedings when they shouldn't. This was to create EQUAL PROTECTION FOR ALL.

So your saying to you want the state to intervene into my beliefs by redefining marriage?

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Originally posted by system-7 that was my answer, but you present two absolutes yes or no. also, separation of church and state was setup to protect the church from the state, not the other way around. Isn't this why the pilgrims then colonist settled in new england?

at the end of the day, your jesus/bible views should not be pushed onto me. keeping marriage between two loving committed people does not at all affect you.

in the eyes of the law, my loving committed family should be no different than yours. in the eyes of the church, i dont give a fvck, you can keep your church..

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Originally posted by system-7 So your saying to you want the state to intervene into my beliefs by redefining marriage?

youre right. your beliefs are your beliefs.

this has no affect on you at all. aside from feelings, how does prior election day and after election day affected you directly? it prob doesnt. [edit - election day only in regards to prop 8]

but to me, it did.

and that is not fair.

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Originally posted by system-7 So your saying to you want the state to intervene into my beliefs by redefining marriage?

Your own definition of marriage will not change. You will still believe that it is between a man and a woman. How will that change?

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Originally posted by bas Dual exhaust tips on dual exhaust = QUAD EXHAUST = 300 gain in horsepower. Duh

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Originally posted by bas Undies with a dickhole aren't good for guys. Your balls can get caught in them. That's why I prefer to go over the gate instead of through the fence.

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Originally posted by pnutttty fvck, you can keep your church..

Amen!

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Originally posted by pnutttty at the end of the day, your jesus/bible views should not be pushed onto me. keeping marriage between two loving committed people does not at all affect you. in the eyes of the law, my loving committed family should be no different than yours. in the eyes of the church, i dont give a fvck, you can keep your church..

thats fine, this belief didn't start by forcing people into it, also, check the book of Leviticus, alot of laws that are written there were mirrored into our law system. Which is the same law that allows us to have a voice, at times.

This thread always picks up a notch when System chimes in. I don't really want waist my time arguing with him. It's just not going to go anywhere. But you are the kind of person I was looking for to respond to my earlier post. Here it is:


I've been wanting to pose this question to the Yes people at some point. My girlfriend and I don't believe in god. We will not be married in a church or by a religious figure. We have not decided if we want to have children for sure. So, is that marriage? It certainly isn't "traditional marriage."
One of the ironies of all this is now we all have to sit back think about what marriage is. Actually question how we feel about marriage and what it means, what it is. How is that "protecting marriage? Over 4 months ago gay couple got the ok to get married. Did it change anything? Did it effect anyone other than the couples whom were able to elope. Did society as we kn ow it colapse?! Did 75% of the people in this state even know? No! But since this prop was brought up, all hell is breaking loose and it will only get worse. Oh...and by the way...because what the yes on prop people turned this into, it will for sure be taught in school. It is now a historic event that will be history books. Plus, what child has not asked they're parents about gay marriage now? Were they asking 4 months ago or being taught it in school?
Oh...I love irony

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i love my wife and we're married for 7 years and have been together for 12 years. though i don't see what's so special about this f'n contract which really doesn't mean anything except forbidding me to bang another woman.

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Originally posted by gerard6975 i love my wife and we're married for 7 years and have been together for 12 years. though i don't see what's so special about this f'n contract which really doesn't mean anything except forbidding me to bang another woman.

You old romantic

Because people BELIEVE it is WRONG.
Other people BELIEVE it is "RIGHT" or They don't care/does not affect them.

This will never end if we have to base this decision on morality...
EVER.

Personally; I beleive Religion is lame, and their antiquated ideas should be put out to pasture. I grew up Catholic, get over yourselves.

My parents have been married for 40 years.

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