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Originally posted by culorut Knowing what they are capable of I do not put anything by them and many people like myself agree.

Do you have any idea of what PNAC actually is, and what these people were actually doing when they wrote that document?

This is why people call you paranoid.

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Well this is what they want(ed) everyone to believe they stand for (which is not the case).


The Project for the New American Century is a non-profit educational organization dedicated to a few fundamental propositions: that American leadership is good both for America and for the world; and that such leadership requires military strength, diplomatic energy and commitment to moral principle.

The Project for the New American Century intends, through issue briefs, research papers, advocacy journalism, conferences, and seminars, to explain what American world leadership entails. It will also strive to rally support for a vigorous and principled policy of American international involvement and to stimulate useful public debate on foreign and defense policy and America's role in the world.


Seems pretty fukin sketchy to me any way they want to put it.

Ok, so now that you know their mission statement, kindly explain and provide evidence for your out-of-left-field assertion that they planned and carried out 9/11 and are working to institute a New World Order (I'll be asking you to explain how those two things are coherent in relation to one another later).

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LOL, you figure it out. I believe you can read.

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Originally posted by culorut LOL, you figure it out. I believe you can read.

Yes, but let's pretend for a moment that I can't find any documentation to read that says anything close to what you're positing.

See, this is your problem - you make outlandish claims and then run away from substantiating any of them, opting to post hit and run youtube videos and copy paste jobs from equally vague and outlandish websites.

You then label anyone who rightly asks you for proof as somehow ignorant, when in reality, they're exercising good judgment in not jumping all over your hastily-drawn conclusions based on nothing more than suppositions such as "The government has hid things in the past... therefore they must hide everything... therefore anybody who has a theory about what the government might be hiding must be right!"

Can't you see that the above is not logical without proof that the theories you promote have some basis in fact? I can tell you that there's a global conspiracy of governments to promote creationism in our classrooms, but that doesn't mean you should take it on faith that I'm right. You should ask me to provide the documentation and evidence that led me to draw that conclusion, so that you may weigh it and come to your own conclusion yourself... which is exactly what we are doing and what you are scoffing at.

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Also, and I don't know why I'm trying to help you, your use of pronouns is completely counterproductive. The ever-elusive "they" doesn't help substantiate any of your claims.

Your story, as best as I can comprehend it, seems to be this:

"Back in the 1980s, the CIA created al-Qaeda to commit terrorist acts against the United States, because they felt that the constant security threat to the United States would make it inevitable that the government would pay money to defense contractors for more weapons. This culminated in the framing of Muslim hijackers on 9/11, when in reality the government shot down United 93, launched a missile into the side of the Pentagon, and used thermite bombs to bring down the World Trade Center. This can be proved because they evidently tipped off the owner of the World Trade Center, who bought a better insurance policy after real Islamics' attempt at blowing up the buildings in 1993.

Then, and this is where it gets good, the global conspiracy to create one world government created a group called PNAC to carry on the standard of old groups like the Trilateral Commission, the Council on Foreign Relations, and the Bilderberg Group - organizations with completely different mandates, but all secretly doing work on ending national sovereignty and creating one New World Order.

PNAC's guilt can be seen by the fact that they warned the US wasn't ready for an attack, and would be caught off guard like a "new Pearl Harbor." They advocated increased American security activity abroad, which should be overlooked since it doesn't fit in with their greater mission of integrating the world under one government.

Also, every single person in government is in on this conspiracy, as are most of the academics, journalists, and policy analysts that compose some of these groups and who try to keep us dumb by giving fake news stories and suppressing the real ones (but believe me, I can tell the true from the fake!).

I don't have any proof for any of this, and I don't even realize that most of it wouldn't even be plausible when taken into consideration with some of the rest.

And if you don't believe all of that after what I told you, then either you CAN'T READ or you are IGNORANT and a SHEEPLE to the MEDIA!!"

Is that about right?

Because congratulations, after all these pages of ramblings, that's the entirety of what I've gleaned from your argument.

No names, no facts, nothing but unsubstantiated rambling.

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"Back in the 1980s, the CIA created al-Qaeda to commit terrorist acts against the United States, because they felt that the constant security threat to the United States would make it inevitable that the government would pay money to defense contractors for more weapons. This culminated in the framing of Muslim hijackers on 9/11, when in reality the government shot down United 93, launched a missile into the side of the Pentagon, and used thermite bombs to bring down the World Trade Center. This can be proved because they evidently tipped off the owner of the World Trade Center, who bought a better insurance policy after real Islamics' attempt at blowing up the buildings in 1993. Then, and this is where it gets good, the global conspiracy to create one world government created a group called PNAC to carry on the standard of old groups like the Trilateral Commission, the Council on Foreign Relations, and the Bilderberg Group - organizations with completely different mandates, but all secretly doing work on ending national sovereignty and creating one New World Order. PNAC's guilt can be seen by the fact that they warned the US wasn't ready for an attack, and would be caught off guard like a "new Pearl Harbor." They advocated increased American security activity abroad, which should be overlooked since it doesn't fit in with their greater mission of integrating the world under one government. Also, every single person in government is in on this conspiracy, as are most of the academics, journalists, and policy analysts that compose some of these groups and who try to keep us dumb by giving fake news stories and suppressing the real ones (but believe me, I can tell the true from the fake!). I don't have any proof for any of this, and I don't even realize that most of it wouldn't even be plausible when taken into consideration with some of the rest. And if you don't believe all of that after what I told you, then either you CAN'T READ or you are IGNORANT and a SHEEPLE to the MEDIA!!"

Congratulations Lebezniatnikov! You summed up the distorted myths about what you perceive people like myself believe regarding the 9/11 official conspiracy theory.

Do you believe the government is not covering up even the smallest bit of detail(s) when it comes to 9/11? If they are you do realize it is a cover up and chances are the lie becomes much bigger then just a small detail.

There is absolutely no reason to trust the last administration and they have proved to everyone over and over again that they are the true criminals.

They funded billions into our modern day terrorists.CHECK
They ignored countless 9/11 warnings from many countries.CHECK
They lied and omitted tons of information on the official reports. CHECK
They shipped away crucial evidence to be melted down after the attacks.CHECK
They told everyone the air was safe to breath.CHECK
They used 9/11 and the "war on terror" to continue their never ending war.CHECK
They lied to everyone regarding WMD's in Iraq.CHECK
They tortured people to get them to admit to crimes they did not commit.CHECK
They can continue lying and performing war crimes because people like you cannot OPEN YOUR FUCKING EYES. CHECK MATE

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov

hands down- best synopsis

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Originally posted by culorut Unless you have not paid attention to what the same members of PNAC and the last administration have done you must be living under a fukin rock then. I really do not need to get into details of the shit they have pulled off because over the years it has been a little obvious what their agenda was and still is.

lol, once again you'v proved you don't know what the fuck you'r talking about......just answer the questions, oh holy priest of truth!

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov No names, no facts, nothing but unsubstantiated rambling.

I'v been asking for this for months. Cretin is making some pretty serious allegations in which he basically accusing people of...treason. Yet, doesn't tell us who to charge or any evidence to charge them with in court. Cretin's case would be laughed right out of court in the first minute.

The only reason you will ever need is the last administration. Tell me do you believe they are angels or are you ignorant as fuk to all the other blatantly obvious war crimes they have committed in the last decade or so?