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Originally posted by Dj Lex There is going to be a war when a country is involved. If it is Bin Laden they can't much do with it. They can't bomb whole Afghanistan, coz Bin Laden lives there somewhere. If it is Irak or something they bomb the whole country down.

if bin laden is evolved then we should get him....and we asked afganistan to turn him over to us for years and they always denied...and well after he killed thousands of people and they still dont give him to us...then u know what there are enemey as well cuz there holding someone who can plan more shit out to attack us.... so i say if bin laden is the guy and afganistan doesnt want to give him to us ...bomb that country all economic structures and military facilities..and there has to be a lesson learned... that a country shouldnt hold a crimail of this maginitute ina country and not turning them over!


this isnt just a war on the US and bin ladin...what happened yesterday will effect almost every country.....in the towers there were many internationsl buisnesses .... Deutsche bundes bank was one of them... but this is pretty but the center of trade around the world....so stock markets around the world will fall and many prices will rise cuz of this not just here in the US but many other countries...so thats another reason why this isnt just a war with US and bin ladin

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Originally posted by diablito correct me if im wrong and but the attack to the building in oak city was made by an american guy and he was in the armed forces now! i dont want to start a fight with you since you are all fired up i just thought i could mention that!

He WAS STATING GOVERNMENT, NOT ONE CRAZY GUY.

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Originally posted by Taub whatever...this sucks and thats it....who ever did it was wrong... if it was bin laden go blame him and not every arabic or muslim country....you should be in nyc....dumb people are beating up taxi drivers and people who look like arabs...and that is fucked up

you are right they shouldnt just go out and beat people up with this ethic back ground....we arnt saying that ...because that would be stupid.....but u have to understand Bin Ladin is one man and well he gets support from many countries in the Islamic area.....meaning Afganistan,Iraq, and syeria to name a few...there is records with Hussan sorrting this guy with weapons and visas to comer to the us..... these are things that make those countries also part of the guilt..so its not just Bin Laden we have to go for.....we for years asked for the arabic nations to apprehend this man for us..especially Afganistan ....... we arnt talking about the religion aspect.....but many of the middle east countries have instable governments or dictors as leaders....where poeple have hardly any rights...... and they harbors these people who attack the US...and im sorry they attacked my country and they helped them so there partialy reasponsible....look at this u think bin ladin had fundgage to do all of this..... to train the terrosit to be able to play these planes... which are high tech..these are things that the state have to be part of ...... not something that bin landin was soly the only one part of but hes the mastermind behind this!! U have to understand that we are nothing kill arabs in the us cuz there just arabic...im not saying that...but if there is anyone no matter what race in the US that knew about this before it happening and had any kind evolvement they will pay diearly...and i say anyone who condown thiese act and dance in the streets for cuz of what happened and have pictures of Bin Landin....they should be kicked out of this country...we live in a free country yes...but when someone condowns thousands of people dieing in the country they live in then they should have the preveldge to live here and should be kicked out!..... and this time we cant nigotiate with these countries that harbor bin landin...we have done it for years and it didnt do shit for us..... and he kept on bombing the shit out of americans.... so its time to think more for our selfs and go in there and get them our selfs...if the country fights back we will bomb the shit out of them....thats simple as that.... no ifs, buts , or nots....cuz gurenteed if we let this fool go this time many americans will be extrememely mad and bin landin will do something again mayb even bigger.....so i say get him before they do anything else..and all his sopporters meaning if there is a government who supports these actgs and help him out they shall be in a war with us!!!!.......so please dont make any excuses on why they bombed us..... think about it this could of have easily ben that got killed...... its time to think about the safty of this country ...ur right should be bashing innocent arabs for this in our country thats messed up....but we need to have more support from that arabic and muslim groups here in the us ..and them support us to do whatever it takes to stop this crimial acts..cuz its there safty as well...cuz gareenteed in those twin towers..there were many many many arabic americans in there as well..or muslim americans who got killed... u should look at that aspect and say ok lets get these ****** and if these contries dont help us and help them then we should be in war withj them...cuz next time this could mean ur father or family or friends that are died!!...

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Definetly taht thing of beating arabs and such because of what happened is total BS. We get again to the stereotypes in here, not because a person is arab he's gonna be a terrorist, taht's just too stupid, it's like thinking that all americans are racists or that us mexicans are riding horses drinking tequila all day long. I just hope this madness ends really soon.

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I havent read the entire thread so maybe this allready has been said but the US had it coming dont misunderstand me i dont support this kind of acts but the us could not think that after all the innocent lifes THEY have killed in wars between other countries that those countries would never hit them back so maybe the US could reconsider they're politic of going into other peoples bussiness and not be tryin to act like theyre THE WORLD police or smth..
peace

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Orbax At that point you kind of crossed the rubicon and you might as well lay siege to Rome

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Originally posted by venomX I havent read the entire thread so maybe this allready has been said but the US had it coming dont misunderstand me i dont support this kind of acts but the us could not think that after all the innocent lifes THEY have killed in wars between other countries that those countries would never hit them back so maybe the US could reconsider they're politic of going into other peoples bussiness and not be tryin to act like theyre THE WORLD police or smth.. peace

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YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT THIS WAS A TERRORIST ATTACK NOT A WAR...

THERES A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO.

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Originally posted by venomX I havent read the entire thread so maybe this allready has been said but the US had it coming dont misunderstand me i dont support this kind of acts but the us could not think that after all the innocent lifes THEY have killed in wars between other countries that those countries would never hit them back so maybe the US could reconsider they're politic of going into other peoples bussiness and not be tryin to act like theyre THE WORLD police or smth.. peace

do me a favor and read my previous post. The US does not try to act like the world police - they only intervene when the conflict going on hurts their interests or trade (for instance in Kuwait, when Iraq tried to take over, that would have cut off most of the USA's oil supplies - hence the intervening.) Every single event that the USA has gotten involved in has some way, directly or indirectly, involved our interests through trade or relations/well-being.

I don't see how ANY country could have this coming. I would not want the USA to bomb innocent people in Afghanastan, even after what has happened. Just revenge towards the group(s) responsible for this.

By the way, for all those who don't know, they have a positive ID on several of the suspects... Apparently several passengers had called on their cellphones right before the crashes giving the seating assignments of the terrorists to their friends/relatives. The FBI already has information on who they were, now the question is just who they worked for - unfortunately all fingers point to bin Laden on this. Reports say that these passengers who called their loved ones right before the crashes also claimed that the terrorists had forced everyone to the back of the plane and were stabbing people before the crash.

The hijackers had used knives and cutters that the planes always carry on them - for emergency situations. The arabs had 4 teams of 4-5 people, including one experienced pilot. These pilots were former Saudi Air pilots, all trained in Boeing aircraft. The rest of the teams were trained to locate these knives on the planes quickly, and takeover the cockpit with little detection and at the same time disable the homing beacons and tranceiver devices... the devices they use to communicate hijackings. Everything had been planned and practiced very well, the FBI has said.

these are all facts from CNN.com, the latest updates.... they already identified all of the hijackers, but they aren't releasing names. They are all arabs, and are known terrorists, some of whom are on lists to "look out for" at border patrols - but somehow they managed to slip into the USA. They are all known to have worked with bin Laden in the past, although they are not confirmed to have worked with him here. But in my opinion i can't see why they wouldn't have been.... Sources in Afghanastan said that the papers last week had quoted Laden as saying something really bad was going to happen next week, and the world can rejoice in our victory....

If you put all this together, how can you NOT think that Laden did it? People say that he is not capable of doing this... what do you need to do this? I could do this! All you need is to purchase a couple of airline tickets, and train a group of people how to act quickly... then you have to convince them to die for their cause. This doesn't take a lot of heavy machinery, doesn't require pulling strings... anyone could have done this. Not to mention that bin Laden is a retired wealthy multi-millionaire. He is also one very smart man. My personal opinion: when the attack on the World Trade Center in 1998 failed (car bomb in garage - was meant to destroy the towers, and didnt work), he had to re-think his attack... i think that this was "plan B", and it took him 3 years to plan it out and get everything to work exactly how he wanted. Unfortunately he succeded.

Thoughts? Updates?
-ABT-

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I say nuke the ******s, kill Usama along with Afganistan and all the ******s who live there!

and Iraq would be a good target too, Kill husein!

^^^ not everyone that lives in afghanistan is responsible for this, there are innocent people there too dude, why is it right to slaughter them too?

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Originally posted by InsomnEac ^^^ not everyone that lives in afghanistan is responsible for this, there are innocent people there too dude, why is it right to slaughter them too?

well well.....
the citizens in Afghanistan support their government....their government aids/supports bin laden, and bin laden supports terrorism, war acts against the U.S......therefore the citizens are supporting those terrorist acts

think people

We should invade afghanistan....im serious

uhh theres a civil war going on in afghanistan...so who ever has more power has control of the government...it doesnt mean all the citizens support the talaban
The last time the tried to bomb the twin towers was in 1993...so i guess they had almost 8 years to come up with a better plan