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Originally posted by svens_bath i dont know how influential zidane's sending off was to the final outcome anyway to be honest.

Probably not as much as people are making it out to be. But sadly, you have to find a scapegoat or an excuse to justify every defeat. Domenech himself said that france would have won if zidane hadn't been sent of which was a silly thing to say about your greatest asset.

The only way france could have been affected was that he was their greatest penalty taker and with him around, the order of kicks could have been different. Not that it would have mattered since italy would have kicked their ass ne way

haha.. i knew these things wouldnt stop

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Originally posted by Epicurus Either way, if that's what really happened, emphasis on if, it's too bad he didn't crack Materazzi's skull instead of his chest. And please, spare me the blablabla about not reacting like this on a football pitch in a World Cup final. If this turns out to be true, Zidane will go from anti-hero to underground-hero. Maybe Blatter will actually do something about this and suspend Materazzi IF this turns out to be true. We'll see.

Indeed - no way ignorant Arabophobia should be allowed.

As for that article in which Materazzi claims he doesn't know what "terrorist" means (when "terrore" is not an unusal word in Italian, and Berlusconi being fond of fighting "terroriste")... it's hard not to consider that an affirmative answer to all rumours.

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sigh.

"calling an arab a terrorist is not racism"

you see, i would actually believe you if YOU (whoever said this) said exactly what materazzi said "i am an ignorant, i don't know what a terrorist is".

how stupid can you get?

and to whoever else said: I can make you cry with my comments and bla bla bla....wow, you can get racist while playin soccer - great job....seriously 10/10 - but u're missing the point: you're playing soccer, not verbally fighting with players.

It's a poll. If possible, please merge this into the main thread, so we can have all the discussion in one place.

Thanks, Taha

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I've always respected your posts and thoughts but now you're posting shit imo, does this poll has any sense now?

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Originally posted by raveed Probably not as much as people are making it out to be. But sadly, you have to find a scapegoat or an excuse to justify every defeat. Domenech himself said that france would have won if zidane hadn't been sent of which was a silly thing to say about your greatest asset. The only way france could have been affected was that he was their greatest penalty taker and with him around, the order of kicks could have been different. Not that it would have mattered since italy would have kicked their ass ne way

my cousin said at the time that trezeguet is a good penalty taker, so he would be one of the ones up to take one anyway..so i dont think it wouldve changed things..maybe someone like sagnol would not have taken one, but then he scored..all ifs and buts isnt it, but i think italy were quite happy to go to penalties and would have just absorbed the french offense for the last the 9 minutes. the sad thing is not that france lost but the way zidane ended his career.

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Originally posted by SouthernDJ I've always respected your posts and thoughts but now you're posting shit imo, does this poll has any sense now?

I was just curious about how many people actually supported Zidane: That other thread is full of contrary opinions, so I thought it would be interesting to actually "visualise" the situation, rather than having a somewhat confusing flow of retorts and counter-retorts.

It's a very interesting situation, I believe, because we have a demonstration of physical violence caused by what seems to have been a blatantly obvious case of Arabophobia, which has been in vogue in the news lately: is the majority supporting the provoked violence, or is the majority saying minorities should have a passive attitude? That's what I'd like to see. This is France and Italy we're talking about - the events in France last year were quite harsh, and racism in Italian football has become stronger during the last couple of years, from what I've read.

Actually, I wanted to post it in that other thread but, unfortunately, you can not post a poll in a thread that doesn't belong to you (nor after the 1^st post).

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Im neutral on it. yes it was a grave mistake on his part and it may very well have caused france the cup BUT at the same time I can understand it from his point of view. and to be honest it doesn't change what I think of him. he'll always be my favourite player, headbutt or no headbutt.

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Originally posted by Deejiuana sigh. "calling an arab a terrorist is not racism" you see, i would actually believe you if YOU (whoever said this) said exactly what materazzi said "i am an ignorant, i don't know what a terrorist is". how stupid can you get? and to whoever else said: I can make you cry with my comments and bla bla bla....wow, you can get racist while playin soccer - great job....seriously 10/10 - but u're missing the point: you're playing soccer, not verbally fighting with players.

that was me and dont give me that beautiful game shit if your in a match like that your going to want to fuck with someones head to get them off their game. You obviously havent been in anything competitive. Ive said shit to people that I have said racist shit to opponents not because I am racist but it was a good way to make them loose their cool. And guess what they give it right back to you.

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Originally posted by InterMilan31 your going to want to fuck with someones head to get them off their game

Just because you cheat in a game, don't expect others to do the same: a game is to be won within the rules. If you have to distract your opponent by taunting them in order to increase your chances of victory, you shouldn't be playing in the first place.

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