did u take anti - depressents while you were sober??? that could be the problem why u dont get high no more

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Originally posted by _EuG_ did u take anti - depressents while you were sober??? that could be the problem why u dont get high no more

well for the really crazy year here was my day:

wake up at 3pm

go to work ( i was an assistant manager in banff)

11pm, go to the club and start drinking\

1am start popping

3am go to my appartement with my friends and pop E, K, coke, and GHB until around 8am-10 am.

3pm wake up all sketchy and get back to work....



and yes i did that for almost a whole year... so no time to take antidepressant... i was pretty much a zombie. although i remember most of it

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Originally posted by geroin now the question is, would that person love house music if s/he did not take that pill? my guess would be no.

House music YES...trance no!

(haha I think I just converted)

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To me, personally, the point of E and chronic is that it just makes music a whole lot better. Yes, the energy boost is nice too, but what I really love is the way my mind just immerses itself in music when I'm high. Everything that I hear just starts to make perfect sense. I start to really understand why each song is composed exactly the way it is, why each synth is brought in when it is, breakdowns become a lot more than just the slowed down part of the song. I just feel one with the music. Sure, I can recognize and enjoy good music when I'm sober, but not nearly to the point that I can when I'm high. And that feeling of being one with the sounds I've never been able to re-experience sober, no matter how good the music was.

I've been over the limit a couple of times now (and my dosage to get there is probably laughable by all of your standards), and I didn't like it much. I much prefer to just get the buzz of the drug, and nothing more, so one pill a night usually suffices (unless they're shitty pills). Then again, just like there are some times where you feel like getting shit faced off alcohol (and not merely drunk), there are some nights that I feel like getting really fucked up on drugs, but I know it's dangerous, so I don't indulge.

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Originally posted by oldschool420 For me, my definition of an addiction is when a substance or anything affects a person or people around them in a harmful way. This is the problem here, everyones definition of addiction is different. As long as someone is not harming me or anyone else in what they are doing it doesn't matter to me what other people are doing. To each their own, you live your life and I live mine.

Yeah but in a scene like this, the definition of 'addict' is clearly skewed in favour of drug users. When everyone around you is fucked up all the time, how is it that you can REALLY tell what's harmful and what isn't? One person's behaviour validates the next persons, and so on...so we come to accept that it isn't harmful or "wrong". And it's a nice little cushion to justify what we're doing.

To the people involved, it doesn't seem like anything's wrong...but step outside of it for a second....back to the ignorant days where everyone in the club was just a druggy. Sometimes I wonder how ignorant that really is. I've seen a lot of shit, and the more shit I see, the more I believe that to be true.

I don't blame most people for being addicted to this kind of lifestyle though...it feeds a lot of desires and inadequacies that most other outlets can't do as easily. Just look at everything it stands for...tolerance, acceptance, open-mindedness, yaddayadda. Sounds like a great place for someone with a lot of issues to feel good about themselves, doesn't it? And feeling good about oneself is a hard habit to kick.



I realize that sounds really bleak...and I don't fully endorse this idea, but it IS something I've seen.

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Originally posted by jennypie Yeah but in a scene like this, the definition of 'addict' is clearly skewed in favour of drug users. When everyone around you is fucked up all the time, how is it that you can REALLY tell what's harmful and what isn't? One person's behaviour validates the next persons, and so on...so we come to accept that it isn't harmful or "wrong". And it's a nice little cushion to justify what we're doing. To the people involved, it doesn't seem like anything's wrong...but step outside of it for a second....back to the ignorant days where everyone in the club was just a druggy. Sometimes I wonder how ignorant that really is. I've seen a lot of shit, and the more shit I see, the more I believe that to be true. I don't blame most people for being addicted to this kind of lifestyle though...it feeds a lot of desires and inadequacies that most other outlets can't do as easily. Just look at everything it stands for...tolerance, acceptance, open-mindedness, yaddayadda. Sounds like a great place for someone with a lot of issues to feel good about themselves, doesn't it? And feeling good about oneself is a hard habit to kick. I realize that sounds really bleak...and I don't fully endorse this idea, but it IS something I've seen.

I completely agree with what you said. I'm taking a nice long break now that I've moved from Toronto, but I used to be a major addict. I slowed down quite abit before I moved but for about a year solid I was a drug machine. I may have gotten a bit out of control at one point but I learned my lesson and moved on. No one is perfect, people make mistakes, it's wether or not people learn from them is the big thing.

As for people looking at people who do E as "druggys", I bet you 3/4 if not more of them get smashed off their ass every weekend. So if you want to get picky, this is just as bad as doing an E or 2.

In the end props to those who are completely sober, I don't know how you do it.

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Originally posted by StereoPrincess quote: I've heard lots of people say this. This means that they like the speed in the pills. If they want energy, why don't they just do speed? It's cheaper and more effective. /devil's advocate it's cheaper?

Well, the average price of methamphetamine (speed, crystal, tweak) is $50-90 a gram... Most pills that are MDMA and speed or just speed have 10-30mg of methamphetamine in them.

So let's say you buy a gram of crystal meth, and it's 60% pure. That's 600mg. You take 25mg for a night on the town (8 or so hours of partying if you take it orally), so you get 24 doses. You pay $70 for this gram of meth, making your individual dosage unit costing $3 each, which is probably less than you pay for a pill, unless in bulk.

The problems are: a lot of people have trouble limiting their intake of speed once they start and end up binging, and that methamphetamine is overall a fair amount more neurotoxic than MDMA.

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Originally posted by Masonious you win again dude - and nice move shoving the whole i figured out how to order pizza thing in my face. i tried that 4 and a half months ago and woke up with a Taiwanese transvestite but to Ygrene it's just, "anoother day in the life, noooo biggieee".

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Originally posted by oldschool420 As for people looking at people who do E as "druggys", I bet you 3/4 if not more of them get smashed off their ass every weekend. So if you want to get picky, this is just as bad as doing an E or 2.

From personal experience, that's not true at all. The people who passed me judgment about doing E have been pretty clean themselves (I've noticed this because pulling the hypocrisy card is the most natural thing to do when it happens). I know it takes me a LOT of alcohol to feel as fucked as I do off of one good pill.

Although, I will say that it's always entertaining to see how comforted most people feel by the fact that alcohol is legal, especially when you try to argue with them about the dangers of weed.

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Originally posted by SummerWolf well for the really crazy year here was my day: wake up at 3pm go to work ( i was an assistant manager in banff) 11pm, go to the club and start drinking\ 1am start popping 3am go to my appartement with my friends and pop E, K, coke, and GHB until around 8am-10 am. 3pm wake up all sketchy and get back to work.... and yes i did that for almost a whole year... so no time to take antidepressant... i was pretty much a zombie. although i remember most of it

dude we shouldve partied together

if you moderate it and not do it EVERYTIME, its not that bad

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Originally posted by Arsalan dude we shouldve partied together if you moderate it and not do it EVERYTIME, its not that bad

lol were u in banff?

and well... even if i wanted to do it now, they dont really do anything on me anymore...

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Originally posted by infinity HiGH Without a doubt, most wouldn't.

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur To me, personally, the point of E and chronic is that it just makes music a whole lot better. Yes, the energy boost is nice too, but what I really love is the way my mind just immerses itself in music when I'm high. Everything that I hear just starts to make perfect sense. I start to really understand why each song is composed exactly the way it is, why each synth is brought in when it is, breakdowns become a lot more than just the slowed down part of the song. I just feel one with the music. Sure, I can recognize and enjoy good music when I'm sober, but not nearly to the point that I can when I'm high. And that feeling of being one with the sounds I've never been able to re-experience sober, no matter how good the music was. I've been over the limit a couple of times now (and my dosage to get there is probably laughable by all of your standards), and I didn't like it much. I much prefer to just get the buzz of the drug, and nothing more, so one pill a night usually suffices (unless they're shitty pills). Then again, just like there are some times where you feel like getting shit faced off alcohol (and not merely drunk), there are some nights that I feel like getting really fucked up on drugs, but I know it's dangerous, so I don't indulge.

Flawless, very similar experiances and ideas +1

I personally hate these speed or OnStar pills going around disguised as e. Maybe the most depressing week of my life which was tres sketchy came because of this. I'm to blame because I bought off a dealer at the club, the same guy i usually go to, but still, even when I was in Montreal not too long ago most of the dealers give you the respect of saying"ok, this is mdma, this is speed" or "yo only need like a one to maybe 1 and a half and you'll be good for the night" in most settings this is unrealistic because of many factors, music, security and the fact that most dealers want ur money in thier hands and thier x in your hands in one motion... personally I haven't dosed as much as the majority who have posted on this thread but to keep it safe i usually drop a half wait and hour and go from there.