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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced The trade allows them room to start tweaking the team in the 09 offseason and to show Bosh they are trying to build a winner and get him to resign.

exactly.

and the reality is that Bosh may leave anyway.

a tweak in this offseason could also = a gauge to see if Bosh will re-sign.

whereas if they kept JO and dealt his expiring contract next season, Bosh still has little indication what improvements will be made and maybe he bolts too. Are the Raps going to lure in someone like Amare, Wade, Kobe? probably not. But if they can sign a legit SG/SF (assuming Marion is outta here at year end) to play with Jose, Bosh and Bargnani, then they go shopping for a tier 2 or 3 starter to round out the lineup.

lots of options, but this move definitely increases their flexibility and increases it sooner rather than later.

I'm a big fan of this trade.

I wish we'd just kept TJ and let him and Calderon split minutes, that was the #1 strength that the Raps had for the previous two years. How many times this season have we watched Calderon and Co put up a 10-20 point lead, just to watch Solomon and Ukic train-wreck and lose us the game? That's not to say Calderon has been perfect, but we had a nasty 1-2 punch between him and TJ Ford, and now we got Calderon and as backups we have a rookie who shows some promise in Ukic, and a Euro-leaguer who thinks he's an all-star in Solomon.

The JO trade was bad news to begin with, I'm glad Colangelo is wiping the slate clean, so to speak.

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Originally posted by MarkT exactly. and the reality is that Bosh may leave anyway. a tweak in this offseason could also = a gauge to see if Bosh will re-sign. whereas if they kept JO and dealt his expiring contract next season, Bosh still has little indication what improvements will be made and maybe he bolts too. Are the Raps going to lure in someone like Amare, Wade, Kobe? probably not. But if they can sign a legit SG/SF (assuming Marion is outta here at year end) to play with Jose, Bosh and Bargnani, then they go shopping for a tier 2 or 3 starter to round out the lineup. lots of options, but this move definitely increases their flexibility and increases it sooner rather than later.

It also gives JT a chance to coach a different style....with JO they were a half court team....with Marion hopefully they will get back to a fast break offense which I think suits Calderon better.

With Marion having an expiring contract they can use these next couple of months to see how he fits and then decide if they want to even offer a contract to him....I wouldn't be to fast to assume Marion is only an expiring contract.

One of the problems Toronto has is they don't have that superstar player that other stars want to play with....don't get me wrong...Bosh is a star but I don't think he carries that "Man, I would love to play with CB" feeling...like a Bryant, Duncan or James.

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^^^ agreed. I prefer the full court offense too. I really think we could see a return to form for Marion with a legit PG feeding him again.

it's probably harder to get guys to buy into a team concept where this is no superstar. If Bargnani is indeed turning a corner, the trio of him, Bosh and Jose *should* be very appealing to free agents, but who knows?

I wonder what Marion is looking for in a contract. He wants a multi-year, no doubt, given his status and age...but I wonder if the Raps could afford him. This is a guy who was averaging 2 stl, 1.5 blk, 1 trey, in his productive years with Phoenix. That's insane. Very few players belong to the 1/1/1 club (Rasheed, LeBron and Granger are three I can think of off-hand, I think?). You just don't find too many players with that kind of versatility and talent.

I'd be thrilled to see him resigned if he gels...but no one seems to really mention that as an option and I can only suspect that it's cap-related.

I liked JO and it's unfortunate that health issues prevented the entire team from playing for a long stretch together...but I'm more excited about this move than when they acquired JO (and that's in part to Bargnani breaking out)

quality all-star weekend. Kobe is so fun to watch, hopefully we get lebron vs. kobe dunk off next year. yeaaa im a sucker for the hype

So am I the only one that thinks Jose needs to go? It's pretty clear he'll never be the second or third option that we need him to be on offense. He plays way too conservative, and especially since we're supposed to be "running" more he's really slowing this team down.

Time to tank the season and pick up a guard or PF during draft and trade Jose+Bosh somewhere for a whole new team (eg. the "rumoured" trade of Bosh going to the Nuggets would be sick). Resign Marion. Let Parker walk. And hopefully get that god awful Kapono contract off the books.

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Originally posted by infinity HiGH So am I the only one that thinks Jose needs to go? It's pretty clear he'll never be the second or third option that we need him to be on offense. He plays way too conservative, and especially since we're supposed to be "running" more he's really slowing this team down. Time to tank the season and pick up a guard or PF during draft and trade Jose+Bosh somewhere for a whole new team (eg. the "rumoured" trade of Bosh going to the Nuggets would be sick).

Kinda funny you mention that, my buddy who watches NBA very closely had mentioned he wouldnt be surprised to see bosh+jose for amare+nash type trade. Colangelo bringin back the old Suns team lol.

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Originally posted by Rodrico Kinda funny you mention that, my buddy who watches NBA very closely had mentioned he wouldnt be surprised to see bosh+jose for amare+nash type trade. Colangelo bringin back the old Suns team lol.

I wouldn't do that trade though. Nash is too old. Amare+Barbosa would be better imo.

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Originally posted by infinity HiGH I wouldn't do that trade though. Nash is too old. Amare+Barbosa would be better imo.

If Suns want to do that sort of trade, but we need a PG in the meanwhile. We dont have anything at the PG position.

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Originally posted by Rodrico If Suns want to do that sort of trade, but we need a PG in the meanwhile. We dont have anything at the PG position.

Let Roko grow. It's pretty evident right now that he's more aggressive than Jose will ever be and he can get you a steal here and there. If that sort of trade happened then we'd be in rebuild mode for the next 2 years so we'd have nothing to lose by letting Roko start.

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Originally posted by infinity HiGH So am I the only one that thinks Jose needs to go? It's pretty clear he'll never be the second or third option that we need him to be on offense. He plays way too conservative, and especially since we're supposed to be "running" more he's really slowing this team down. Time to tank the season and pick up a guard or PF during draft and trade Jose+Bosh somewhere for a whole new team (eg. the "rumoured" trade of Bosh going to the Nuggets would be sick). Resign Marion. Let Parker walk. And hopefully get that god awful Kapono contract off the books.

hmmmmm...but with Marion, Bosh and Bargnani on the floor, Jose doesn't need to be (and shouldn't be) the 2nd or 3rd option on offense. He just needs (and already has) a good enough shot to make people pay for not covering him and should focus almost exclusively on distributing the ball. After the 3rd today, he 9 pts on 4-5 shooting with 10 ast. perfect.

Roko is proving to be exciting and does give the Raps options though. did he ever look raw early on, but I admit that he's coming along quickly.

I'd like to see how this lineup plays together for the rest of the season.

Assuming he continues to play well, resigning Marion is hopefully on the agenda. Bosh would be dumb to 'want out' if that's the case.