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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby So you agree, nuclear weapons and child porn should not be free information?

What? (Information about) CP should be free so it can be sent to the authorities, I just said it - the problem lies in not telling the police about it and fapping away at home doing nothing!

Age is not a problem. Even if it happened a century ago and someone took a black-and-white photograph of what happened, you should still see if there's anything you could do. If it happen in Ancient Rome you still should send it to Historian. If it happened in pre-history, you should pray to an Ancient God so he can punish whomever he's got to punish... or something. Happy now?

And, wait, how do you know there's stuff from the 70's around? You're creeping me out now, Nou!

Edit: Inserted some words to avoid ambiguity before you come to the conclusion that we should freely go around bonking children so we can turn ourselves in to the authorities.

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Last edited by Lira on Dec-10-2010 at 04:51

look....
how in the world can you compare child porn to 'classified' information?
and then defend it? are you that sick?
and no dont give me this bullshit "for the sake of the argument" cuz thats just bollocks

CP IS WRONG ...morally, legally, etc

if documents exist that can prove ANY wrongdoing by my OWN GOVERNMENT ..then fuckin put that shit on the front page on every newspaper!..
we elect these people to uphold THE CONSTITUTION you so think you defend. they are not above the law..now.. not every leak is that revealing, but we have only just seen the top of the iceberg...

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Originally posted by Lira What? CP should be free so it can be sent to the authorities, I just said it - the problem lies in not telling the police about it and fapping away at home doing nothing! Age is not a problem. Even if it happened a century ago and someone took a black-and-white photograph of what happened, you should still see if there's anything you could do. If it happen in Ancient Rome you still should send it to Historian. If it happened in pre-history, you should pray to an Ancient God so he can punish whomever he's got to punish... or something. Happy now? And, wait, how do you know there's stuff from the 70's around? You're creeping me out now, Nou!

So you think it should be legal to possess then, what about distribute?

Also, its pretty common knowledge that most of it was made in the 70s, it was legal in the Netherlands until the 90s. Look at the wikipedia for Color Climax, who are still in business today.

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Originally posted by WhooCares look.... how in the world can you compare child porn to 'classified' information? and then defend it? are you that sick? and no dont give me this bullshit "for the sake of the argument" cuz thats just bollocks CP IS WRONG ...morally, legally, etc if documents exist that can prove ANY wrongdoing by my OWN GOVERNMENT ..then fuckin put that shit on the front page on every newspaper!.. we elect these people to uphold THE CONSTITUTION you so think you defend. they are not above the law..now.. not every leak is that revealing, but we have only just seen the top of the iceberg...

It is not morally wrong to expose the names of undercover agents who might be killed? Or informants who might be killed?

How is an image morally wrong? The act is, for sure, but how is an image? Is an image of a person being killed morally wrong?

Is this image just as wrong?

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby So you think it should be legal to possess then, what about distribute?

Have you read any of the words I wrote?

If it helps catch the criminals, of course it should be distributed. Send it to the police, to social service stuff, to the local printing shop if they can frame a portrait of the rapist and have his face shown in every other lamppost, and you might even want to send one copy to Santa Claus so the child banging bastard gets nothing but coal on Christmas! But, by all means, do distribute it if you can help.

If however, you just want to sit around at home fapping away and acquiring this stuff for your own wank bank, then you should be locked up not just because of your upfucketry, but because you're becoming a hindrance to the investigations. And there's always an investigation, full stop. If there isn't, there should be one. If the case was resolved, then either delete it or try to find something the authorities didn't see.

Do you see what the difference is now?

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Originally posted by Lira Have you read any of the words I wrote? If it helps catch the criminals, of course it should be distributed. Send it to the police, to social service stuff, to the local printing shop if they can frame a portrait of the rapist and have his face shown in every other lamppost, and you might even want to send one copy to Santa Claus so the child banging bastard gets nothing but coal on Christmas! But, by all means, do distribute it if you can help. If however, you just want to sit around at home fapping away and acquiring this stuff for your own wank bank, then you should be locked up not just because of your upfucketry, but because you're becoming a hindrance to the investigations. Do you see what the difference is now?

I still don't get it.

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Originally posted by Lira Have you read any of the words I wrote? If it helps catch the criminals, of course it should be distributed. Send it to the police, to social service stuff, to the local printing shop if they can frame a portrait of the rapist and have his face shown in every other lamppost, and you might even want to send one copy to Santa Claus so the child banging bastard gets nothing but coal on Christmas! But, by all means, do distribute it if you can help. If however, you just want to sit around at home fapping away and acquiring this stuff for your own wank bank, then you should be locked up not just because of your upfucketry, but because you're becoming a hindrance to the investigations. Do you see what the difference is now?

I dont think you understand the argument... lol that or you are being intentionally overly specific in a way to avoid answering the real question.

An image is just an image, it has no ability to cause harm. Should those images be a crime to possess? If so why? Because its morally wrong to possess an image of something that might have happened a long time ago?

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Originally posted by EddieZilker I still don't get it.

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btw, these are not my views on the subject at hand, merely an argument. I want to see where you people draw the line on freedom of speech and information... and really uncomfortable topics are the best way to do that, you really have to question your beliefs or you come across as being unrealistic or inept.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby An image is just an image, it has no ability to cause harm.

No, an image is not just an image. An image is a recorded proof that something took place and therefore a piece of information.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby Should those images be a crime to possess?

Not if you forward this piece of information to those in charge of taking care of it.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby Because its morally wrong to possess an image of something that might have happened a long time ago?

Not if you forward this piece of information to those in charge of taking care of it.

It doesn't matter if the "child" in the image is already old enough to be your great grandmother, do it!

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Originally posted by Lira No, an image is not just an image. An image is a recorded proof that something took place and therefore a piece of information. Not if you forward this piece of information to those in charge of taking care of it. Not if you forward this piece of information to those in charge of taking care of it. It doesn't matter if the "child" in the image is already old enough to be your great grandmother, do it!

But beyond that. Why is it illegal to continue to posses it?