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Originally posted by Trancer-X They're so strong that wild Geese are able to puncture them in mid-flight http://www.strangemilitary.com/content/item/952.html Edit: and again, I STILL can't imagine how a nose cone could have punched though nine feet of reinforced concrete - especially after reading Lt. Kevin Schaeffer's alleged account (he works for the DoD, after all) of how he saw a chunk of it laying near the B ring wall (in between the B and C rings of the Pentagon.)

do you know that the plane in your picture has the same nose cone as the plane in question?

it comes down to momentum..... if a goose weighing about 10-20 lbs can puncture through aluminum nose cone, is it not feasible that a plane weighing a hundred tons could feasibly blast through 9 feet of concrete.....

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN I have 3 hobbies: gaming, DJing & correcting maladjusted fools on the internet.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN Yeah, I’d like to know what horrible, scarring incident in your childhood turned you into such an ignorant, intellectual-hating philistine?

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Originally posted by colonelcrisp do you know that the plane in your picture has the same nose cone as the plane in question? it comes down to momentum..... if a goose weighing about 10-20 lbs can puncture through aluminum nose cone, is it not feasible that a plane weighing a hundred tons could feasibly blast through 9 feet of concrete.....

and yet two of the heaviest, densest parts of the alleged plane (the motors) didn't even seem to make a mark on the exterior of the wall?

To be honest with you, that picture isn't even one of the ones that I was looking for. There was a whole page that I had recently found that had various pictures of damage done to commercial aircraft by birds. It showed wings, nosecones, etc. that had either been shredded or had pieces of birds still lodged in them. When I have more time to look for it I'll find it.

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Originally posted by Trancer-X I wonder why they never bothered to cross reference the part numbers to make sure that it was all legitimate.

i wonder how they fooled the scientists testing the remains to identify them??



your government really is pretty clever, being able to sneak dead charred bodies of those from flight 77 into the pentagon without anybody noticing!

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so trancer, why did the government commandeer flight 77 if they werent going to fly it into the pentagon?

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Originally posted by Trancer-X I'm sure it's intentional, but you really are a waste of my time (as you're probably just a low waged psy-op) so now you're finally on ignore. It's been fun but I'm tired of debating with someone who only seems to know how to argue out of what seems to be sheer ignorance while consistently issuing personal attacks, baseless innuendo, etc.

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Originally posted by LazFX

There we go with the adolescent pictures again.

Don't you kids ever want to grow up?

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Originally posted by The Arbiter The only thing being covered up was a monumental failure in the USAF. End of. Nothing more, nothing less.

How many months of research did it take you to come to this conclusion or is that just your guesstimation?

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Originally posted by The Arbiter The only thing being covered up was a monumental failure in the USAF. End of. Nothing more, nothing less.

This has been my thought since the beginning of these conspiracy theories. What would happen if it was discovered that Bush and most of his administration were guilty of negligence? Ignoring intelligence, whether it be accidental or intentional is a serious crime. There is a cover up, otherwise, the 9/11 commission wouldn't have had a hard time interviewing certain officials. I just think it's far less sinister than our own government having orchestrated the attacks. That's just silly, really REALLY silly. It's based off of fantasies that are found in movies and books, not reality.

The last "conspiracy" was Iran-contra, and they were caught red handed, Reagan was never looked at the same way again.

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Originally posted by Marc Summers I just think it's far less sinister than our own government having orchestrated the attacks. That's just silly, really REALLY silly. It's based off of fantasies that are found in movies and books, not reality. The last "conspiracy" was Iran-contra, and they were caught red handed, Reagan was never looked at the same way again.

I'm thinking that perhaps you missed a major part of the discussion which started a few years ago because we've been saying all along that it would probably have been based more or less off of the Operation Northwoods documents rather than something out of Hollywood.

In regards to the last "conspiracy" I think that there's a high probability that there have been many more since then. It might be safer to say that Iran-Contra was the last "highly publicised" conspiracy.

In author James Bamford's own words,

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Originally posted by Trancer-X I'm thinking that perhaps you missed a major part of the discussion which started a few years ago because we've been saying all along that it would probably have been based more or less off of the Operation Northwoods documents rather than something out of Hollywood.

Northwoods? Oh thanks, I didn't know about this declassified document that means absolutely nothing!

And... Wikipedia? Come on now.

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