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like i said before, when you trolls are presented with evidence you just resort to personal attacks. seriously, are you an undercover agent of Bush sent out to spread propoganda? i wouldn't be suprised.

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Originally posted by Haunted like i said before, when you trolls are presented with evidence you just resort to personal attacks.

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we've been debating in this thread (plus a couple others) well before you decided to drop in einstein, so how bout *you* go troll somewhere else? it has merely degenerated to this level coz we get tired of the same old shit all the time. i approached the subject with a mostly open mind, i read the links and watched the videos and theyre bullshit, asking lots of questions without providing any answers. so fuck you, you presumptious twit.

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Originally posted by Haunted seriously, are you an undercover agent of Bush sent out to spread propoganda? i wouldn't be suprised.

and this is the kindve stuff im talking about. moronic conspiracy idiocy that misses all the logic of the bigger story. ive asked ogv time and time again to give me his version of events, (the how, why etc) and he's never provided anything but more links to bullshit websites. so get back to watching oliver stone's JFK or pick a debate that doesnt rely on some weirdo's abject fantasies

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the point is to ask questions. no one knows what really happened, how the hell is anyone supposed to give you that kind of information "omgzz if u dont know what really happened you're stooopid and shoudl just accept what the gov't tells you" nice argument.

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How can you say no-one knows what happened? If it is not a conspiracy, the whole world knows what happened. If it is a conspiracy, then someone must know what happened, and in fact alot of people would need to know what happened because to pull off such a large operation would require alot of organising. it would certainly take more than one or two brains to achieve it successfully.

if everyone knows exactly what happened there wouldn't be conspiracy,
a conspiracy arises when there are missing peices in the story told

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN i really do feel sorry for you people

I feel more sorry for the vast majority of the family members of the victims that are part of the 9-11 truth movement, because the goverment can't give an honest answer (which is a huge understatement). I guess eyewitness accounts and accounts from people like William Rodriquez, who were rescuing people from the buildings before they collapsed, all talking about bombs going off in the buildings is irrelevant? And I guess whistle blowers from the intelligence agencies (amonsts other federal agencies, not just in the US btw) such as CIA analyst Ray McGovern, who briefed to Regan/Bush administrations, amongst many others, who all agree that the official story is a whitewas and are pretty sure it was a false flag operation also have no credibility or understanding of how things work right?

Or maybe I am to deny my knowledge of physics and believe the official pancake theory, or defy common sense and accept the official conspiracy theory presented by the goverment which has the weakest supporting evidence (and even the official FEMA report concluded had a very unlikely probibility, and it was the only hypothesis they cosidered, I wonder why?). Isn't it convenitent that they ILLEGALY got rid of all of the evidence (i.e. melted majority the steel and sold it to China)? BTW, Prof Steven Jones, a reputable BYU physics Prof, found themate in samples from the steel support beams. That's signature controlled demolition explosives. (You would know that if you've done you're research, which I doubt you have).


And please don't respond if you're going to resort to name calling or ad hominem attacks.

EDIT=minor corrections

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"The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." -Stephen Hawking
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z And please don't respond if you're going to resort to name calling or ad hominem attacks.

That is not something you can expect him to do every post has to do with attacks nothing else.

I don't see why people don't get it. Three thousand Americans to the government means nothing to them as the millions of dollars they can make from declaring a war I don't get why people don't understand that.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z I feel more sorry for the vast majority of the family members of the victims that are part of the 9-11 truth movement, because the goverment can't give an honest answer (which is a huge understatement). I guess eyewitness accounts and accounts from people like William Rodriquez, who were rescuing people from the buildings before they collapsed, all talking about bombs going off in the buildings is irrelevant? And I guess whistle blowers from the intelligence agencies (amonsts other federal agencies, not just in the US btw) such as CIA analyst Ray McGovern, who briefed to Regan/Bush administrations, amongst many others, who all agree that the official story is a whitewas and are pretty sure it was a false flag operation also have no credibility or understanding of how things work right? Or maybe I am to deny my knowledge of physics and believe the official pancake theory, or defy common sense and accept the official conspiracy theory presented by the goverment which has the weakest supporting evidence (and even the official FEMA report concluded had a very unlikely probibility, and it was the only hypothesis they cosidered, I wonder why?). Isn't it convenitent that they ILLEGALY got rid of all of the evidence (i.e. melted majority the steel and sold it to China)? BTW, Prof Steven Jones, a reputable BYU physics Prof, found themate in samples from the steel support beams. That's signature controlled demolition explosives. (You would know that if you've done you're research, which I doubt you have).

oh shaolin, im so disappointed in you

look, as im not a structural engineer i dont feel as though im all that qualified to critique all the evidence. all im saying is the debunking sites ive read are more compelling than the conspiracy sites. if youre going to tow the conspiracy line, imo you need to provide more of an analysis, i think the conspiracy arguments ask questions, but ignore the massive gaping wounds in logic that exist.

the only argument im willing to accept at this stage is that the US government were complicit in allowing the attacks to happen. to suggest otherwise youd have to suggest the government pre-planted explosives at the exact spot just below where the planes hit, and thats just not credible.

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Originally posted by metalgearsolid That is not something you can expect him to do every post has to do with attacks nothing else. I don't see why people don't get it. Three thousand Americans to the government means nothing to them as the millions of dollars they can make from declaring a war I don't get why people don't understand that.

ive been posting in the PDD well before you turned up so dont try and label me as anything child. i show a great deal of respect for the regular users in here that present well-constructed arguments. i attack you coz youre stupid, your spelling & grammar is terrible, the 'arguments' you present are laughable and generally reading your posts are a waste of time.

oh, and please tell me exactly how the american government is making 'millions and millions' of dollars from any war. this is what im talking about- you have no understanding of virtually anything youre talking about. go back to school or at least pick up a book. honestly, im embarrassed for you.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN I've been posting in the PDD well before you turned up so don't try and label me as anything child. I show a great deal of respect for the regular users in here that present well-constructed arguments. I attack you coz you're stupid, your spelling & grammar is terrible, the 'arguments' you present are laughable and generally reading your posts are a waste of time. Oh, and please tell me exactly how the American government is making 'millions and millions' of dollars from any war. This is what I'am talking about- you have no understanding of virtually anything you're talking about. Go back to school or at least pick up a book. Honestly, I'am embarrassed for you.

That is great you have been posting here longer than me, I'am impressed. You want to talk about grammar look above to yours. You are silly little boy. I didn't want to bother with fragmented sentences, but feel free to continue saying I have bad grammer skills compare to you. I laugh every time. Never has a PDD member made so many grammar errors until you post. Every time you are the only one who makes the most grammar errors of all the PDD members.

Every time you post another record(held by you previously) is broken by you for being blatantly ignorant, stupid, and unnecessarily beligerant. Not that I'am an angel I don't pretend to be one, though.

But please do me a favor, no do us all a favor, before you want to talk down to someone make sure you are at least smarter, if not equilivant, than he is. What makes me laugh are twats like you can only attack because you don't know shit or you are so retardely ill that you automatically dislike anybody who hasn't been on Ta for as long as you. Or you won't respect them until they kiss your ass.

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Originally posted by metalgearsolid That is great you have been posting here longer than me, I'am impressed. You want to talk about grammer look above to yours. You are silly little boy. I didn't want to bother with fragmented sentences, but feel free to continue saying I have bad grammer skills compare to you. I laugh every time. Never has a PDD member made so many grammer errors until you post. Every time you are the only one who makes the most grammer errors of all the PDD members. Every time you post another record(held by you previously) is broken by you for being blatantly ignorant, stupid, and unnecessarily beligerant. Not that I'am an angel I don't pretend to be one, though. But please do me a favor, no do us all a favor, before you want to talk down to someone make sure you are at least smarter, if not equilivant, than he is. What makes me laugh are twats like you can only attack because you don't know shit or you are so retardely ill that you automatically dislike anybody who hasn't been on Ta for as long as you. Or you won't respect them until they kiss your ass.

I believe it's spelled "grammar"