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Originally posted by Skipper Guess what I've concluded from this thread? You guys like to type.

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As much as I would like to read the entire responses my brain looses interest after the fourth line.

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Originally posted by evil_cookie So I don’t know what your nonsense about "vague and untestable" is. When you present a physicist, a biologist, or a chemist with the question of "is there a God?" they will apply the question to our current standard models of science and logic, and based on their evidentiary research, they will rationally arrive at their atheistic position. Even if you say something like they are forced to take a position of skepticism, seeing as they can’t entirely disprove the existence of a supreme deity; based on the probability that the evidence yields--let me say that again--based on the probability that the evidence yields, you know, that thing you get after you examine something. Based on this, they can logically take the position which is more probabilistic,the atheistic one, which has come as the end result of scientific and logical reasoning.

this paragraph is just plain wrong. the answer is no, if you ask a scientist they will not come to this conclusion.

i think you are falling into the problem of the null hypothesis that cannot be ever proved. just because you don't see it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. the null hypothesis is the worst thing about science.

33 pages and.... nothing

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Originally posted by Yohan

It has been mostly the Christian lobby complaining of being singled out and complaining about the campaign so it's actually going to be comforting that the Atheist lobby is an equal-opportunity insulter.

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker I've already complained. These ads won't be up long.

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker Faith is what one chooses to explain that what science cannot (and there is a great deal that fits into this innocuous category). Faith is the confidence that there is order, a system, a process for everything (even that beyond current days scientific explanation). The greatest physicists and scientists of all time agree that although we can explain much and almost everything in the world, there is a common "perfection" that has created all that is and was. Science is NOT faith. Science seeks to explain everything, whereas faith attempts to put meaning behind the unexplainable. Personally, I seek science, but am humble enough to realize that faith plays a big part in realizing the true potential of science. Faith is a choice. That is the point.

I dont care to post in these kinda threads.

But i literally skimmed thru just to see/read ur comments RJ.
Well thought out and said as expected...couldnt possibly agree with anyone more

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Originally posted by Yohan

that just goes into the whole topic that "if you believe in a god, you are illogical and non scientific"

it just shows who the real ignorant ones are....

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard It's funny... all this discussion and essentially we have the same position; the existence of god(s) or no god(s) is unprovable... it would seem the only difference is that I am willing to admit that is the case. I don't know you but you seem to be a logical and intelligent person, as such you should understand that a probability is not a certainty; therefore, any position stated as a certainty which is, in fact, predicated on a probability is a belief rather then knowledge. Ultimately, both theism and atheism are beliefs.

You do not prove the existence of god. You actually disprove his non existance. This is the basis of statistical hypothesis testing. Basically you are gathering enough information to reject a null hypothesis in order to make a logical correlation.

Faith can be anything you can believe in many gods as in the past, or believe in one god (the sun) or whatever, jesus christ, mohamed budah and whatever else tickles your pickle.. To each his own. But putting science and religion together is nonsensical. Religion and faith have no scientific basis whatsoever. Religion has been used since the dawn of humanity to try to explain the unexplainable and control the masses. Its nice to believe in something, i would say i am agnostic. I cannot fathom the creation of something from nothing. But i do trust in science. Its simply how our society works.

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Originally posted by El K Dee it just shows who the real ignorant ones are....

the religious fools that think ignorance is bliss. Or that the world is still flat lol.

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Originally posted by Abercrombie It has been mostly the Christian lobby complaining of being singled out and complaining about the campaign so it's actually going to be comforting that the Atheist lobby is an equal-opportunity insulter.

looks like all the religious loons have no sense of humour!

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...pretty deep in here.

lol @ "Religion flies you into buildings"

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Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit the religious fools that think ignorance is bliss. Or that the world is still flat lol.

hey dont assume all religious sects have the same views on science...

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