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Actually, the contradictions page is the one taking things literally. Im just applying the correct context the goes along with the lines. Im not agreeing to it. However, its pretty much all out of context if you only grab one line and compare it with another.
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Ok well I'll find contradictions and post the entire chapters to avoid the mistake of taking things out of context. What subject do you want to discuss with respects to contradictions? There are a lot so I need to narrow down the field.
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Its credibility? uhmm, that is debatable weather you believe in it or not, so you cant's really make a conclusion weather its credible or not, its about faith. I think the correct term is it's ACCURACY can be called into question.
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Ok well fine, allow me to clarify my stance. I don't necessarily discount the bible in its entirety as a source for some historical events. I discount the belief that the bible is the direct word of God because it's not. It's the word of men compiled by men and edited by men long past the death of Jesus. So when it lays down the "law of God", for example portions of the Old Testament, I am extremely skeptical that God wanted things that way. Similarly, when it describes certain provisions to get into heaven, I'm somewhat skeptical as to whether these are truly the intentions of God or the intentions of an organized religion aka the catholic church.
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Yeah that is exactly correct, glad you comprehend. Although when God says "Thou shall not kill", its a commandment applied to the people only and not to him. If God gives permission to kill, "it is ok". God has the power of both good and evil. He is considered good to those who serve him well, and only those will recieve his love. He is just to those who serve him and those who throw themselves at his mercy. His infidels on the other hand will die.
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Hmmm so if God is both evil and good, what's the role of the devil? Furthermore, according to the Old testament, shall we put to death homosexuals, adultererers, etc., since God gave us permission to kill them? Well I'm glad someone is finally admitting he's evil. I would imagine a God that sanctioned the killing and genocide of peoples inhabiting a land not "inherentely" theirs to be quite evil.
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His hand was restored. Did you miss that part? God tests peoples loyalty. Just like he tested Adam and Eve. He had devised a ruele and then found a way of persuading them to break it, in order to invent punishment. He knew that Adam and Eve would become bored with perfections and would, sooner or later test his patience. He set a trap, maybe because the Almighty Lord was bored with everything going so smoothly. When the law was broken, God even pretended to pursue them, as if he did not already know every possible hididng place. With the angles looking on, amused by the game.
But back to the sacrificial part, ive never seen God ask for sacrifice and let it happen and let the blood spill without Him restoring the deed or stopping the sacrifice before it occurs. Find a line that has a complete sacrifice with no restoration, and prove me wrong. |
Well I was referring to the part of Josiah burning the bones on the altar. Perhaps this is a better passage:
2 Kings Chapter 23
23:15 Moreover the altar that was at Bethel, and the high place which Jeroboam the son of Nebat, who made Israel to sin, had made, both that altar and the high place he brake down, and burned the high place, and stamped it small to powder, and burned the grove.
23:16 And as Josiah turned himself, he spied the sepulchres that were there in the mount, and sent, and took the bones out of the sepulchres, and burned them upon the altar, and polluted it, according to the word of the LORD which the man of God proclaimed, who proclaimed these words.
23:17 Then he said, What title is that that I see? And the men of the city told him, It is the sepulchre of the man of God, which came from Judah, and proclaimed these things that thou hast done against the altar of Bethel.
23:18 And he said, Let him alone; let no man move his bones. So they let his bones alone, with the bones of the prophet that came out of Samaria.
23:19 And all the houses also of the high places that were in the cities of Samaria, which the kings of Israel had made to provoke the Lord to anger, Josiah took away, and did to them according to all the acts that he had done in Bethel.
23:20 And he slew all the priests of the high places that were there upon the altars, and burned men's bones upon them, and returned to Jerusalem.
23:21 And the king commanded all the people, saying, Keep the passover unto the LORD your God, as it is written in the book of this covenant.
23:22 Surely there was not holden such a passover from the days of the judges that judged Israel, nor in all the days of the kings of Israel, nor of the kings of Judah;
Exodus Chapter 13
13:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
13:2 Sanctify unto me all the firstborn, whatsoever openeth the womb among the children of Israel, both of man and of beast: it is mine.
13:3 And Moses said unto the people, Remember this day, in which ye came out from Egypt, out of the house of bondage; for by strength of hand the LORD brought you out from this place: there shall no leavened bread be eaten.
13:4 This day came ye out in the month Abib.
13:5 And it shall be when the LORD shall bring thee into the land of the Canaanites, and the Hittites, and the Amorites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, which he sware unto thy fathers to give thee, a land flowing with milk and honey, that thou shalt keep this service in this month.
13:6 Seven days thou shalt eat unleavened bread, and in the seventh day shall be a feast to the LORD.
13:7 Unleavened bread shall be eaten seven days; and there shall no leavened bread be seen with thee, neither shall there be leaven seen with thee in all thy quarters.
13:8 And thou shalt shew thy son in that day, saying, This is done because of that which the LORD did unto me when I came forth out of Egypt.
13:9 And it shall be for a sign unto thee upon thine hand, and for a memorial between thine eyes, that the LORD's law may be in thy mouth: for with a strong hand hath the LORD brought thee out of Egypt.
13:10 Thou shalt therefore keep this ordinance in his season from year to year.
13:11 And it shall be when the LORD shall bring thee into the land of the Canaanites, as he sware unto thee and to thy fathers, and shall give it thee,
13:12 That thou shalt set apart unto the LORD all that openeth the matrix, and every firstling that cometh of a beast which thou hast; the males shall be the LORD's.
13:13 And every firstling of an ass thou shalt redeem with a lamb; and if thou wilt not redeem it, then thou shalt break his neck: and all the firstborn of man among thy children shalt thou redeem.
13:14 And it shall be when thy son asketh thee in time to come, saying, What is this? that thou shalt say unto him, By strength of hand the LORD brought us out from Egypt, from the house of bondage:
13:15 And it came to pass, when Pharaoh would hardly let us go, that the LORD slew all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both the firstborn of man, and the firstborn of beast: therefore I sacrifice to the LORD all that openeth the matrix, being males; but all the firstborn of my children I redeem.
13:16 And it shall be for a token upon thine hand, and for frontlets between thine eyes: for by strength of hand the LORD brought us forth out of Egypt
And what of the other passage I quoted?
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thats just me though. I dont mean to offend anyone here. I like lesbians though but thats an entirely different subject. 
