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Originally posted by RJT I still think you have either a serious misunderstanding of what exactly would happen should the bill pass and be enacted (specifically its ramifications in the International community) or you have absolutely no faith in other countries militaries. The biggest point of this bill: We can't do it ourselves anymore.

I never claimed to know everything about it, but that doesn't mean I can't oppose it, since, IMO, setting an exact timetable is bad enough to make any bill worth vetoing. Like I said, if all the rest of that is what really matters, just re-draft it & take out the part that involves setting exact dates. Would that be ok?

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It would most certainly be more than OK

I'm just also not opposed in the least to the bill in its current form.

And I guess they're going to have to redraft it anyways - as the President is going to veto the ******, and it's likely when it goes back to the Senate they won't get 2/3 majority

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Originally posted by RJT The biggest point of this bill: We can't do it ourselves anymore.

You never could in the first place.
It was the whole 'take a steaming dump' on the proverbial international community in the first place by going against the UN, cooking up a whole shovel load of bollocks about WMD's which fairly much no one believed and marching in there with the arrogance of someone with nuts the size of a bull elephant and absolutely no research on the religious-political demographic that was going to be unsettled by doing so.

Course, when someone clips those nuts you wake up all these years later and wonder where the breeze is coming from?
Washington kiddies.
Vote, your country or what's left of it depends on it... your great grandkids are going to be paying the bill anyhow.

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Originally posted by Lilith

what's done is done.

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Originally posted by inconspicuous what's done is done.

No


No thats the whole POINT!
It's now a war of an entire generation, you have NO idea of what your country has managed to unsettle do you?

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Originally posted by RJT It would most certainly be more than OK I'm just also not opposed in the least to the bill in its current form. And I guess they're going to have to redraft it anyways - as the President is going to veto the ******, and it's likely when it goes back to the Senate they won't get 2/3 majority

well, there we go, then . I just think that's bad enough to shoot the rest down, and it's the only part I've heard about.



...on another note, I'm debating what sort of liquor to buy tonight, for no reason at all.

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Originally posted by Lilith No No thats the whole POINT! It's now a war of an entire generation, you have NO idea of what your country has managed to unsettle do you?

we can't undo any of it. So yeah, it kind of is done.

edit: I'm just referring to what's already taken place. The whole ordeal/issue certainly isn't over, but there's no point in debating whether or not we should have done what we have. I'd rather pay attention to what we can or should do with the hand we've got now.

double edit: that's why I never watch the news. All that all the "pundits" do is debate yesterday's decisions. Everybody complaining & insulting each other, nobody offering solutions.

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No, you can't walk out of this one.
Simple as that, you walk out now and Iraq will rip itself to pieces, the oil won't flow and desperately dependant as the US is, you will have to intervene again at some point to keep the massive demand for it in just your country alone.

See, history is written by the winners and it's alright if you win an illegal war, but you can't win this one and you won't get out unless you're prepared to actually fight just as damn hard as the people who oppose you are. If you keep walking it will come back to bite you and you can kiss all that trough fed lifestyle goodbye and come to a very quick realisation that for the first time since independence you're actually going to have to fight, for right or wrong to keep that luxurious lifestyle.

Lilith, you're arguing my position for me

Though, I do understand that the initial post of mine that you had quoted was worded very poorly - to say "we can't do it ourselves anymore" implies we once could, which we couldn't.

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First, Iraq only accounts for a very small percentage of our oil supply.

Second, no matter how you feel about the validity of it, the fact is that what's taken place has taken place. Nobody can change that, and the best way to accomplish anything is by analyzing the situation as it stands today--not according to how you think it should have been by today. That's all I'm saying--I'm not claiming that this whole ordeal is just going to disappear.

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Originally posted by inconspicuous Second, no matter how you feel about the validity of it, the fact is that what's taken place has taken place. Nobody can change that, and the best way to accomplish anything is by analyzing the situation as it stands today--not according to how you think it should have been by today. That's all I'm saying--I'm not claiming that this whole ordeal is just going to disappear.

Well stated on all counts.

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