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Originally posted by Shakka There ain't no way I'm reading 21 pages to figure out what's going on here. All I can surmise from reading this page is that WhoaNellie is very passionate about religion and takes it very seriously, whereas a majority of this board strikes me as more agnostic or athiest. Can make for some interesting and intense discussions! Can I throw some water on this fire?

Do whatever you feel like doing.

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whoa! i go to work and come home...there's 10 more pages. i finally got through reading them and my head is spinning...i feel like i spent a week in church...wow i didnt know you had so much bible knowledge, occ....you're fantastic. i was lucky that i was able to memorize my cathecism!

i gotta say...i have lots of friends who have different religions....jewish, hindu, buddist, muslim, shinto, gaiam, even one goddess, but it's the fundie christians who usually annoy the crap out of me, because they dont know when to shut up.

nellie, didnt jesus tell his followers that when they went to a new town, if people didnt believe what they had to say, they (the disciples) should leave town and let them get what they deserve? (something about sodom and gomorrah, i think????) so........just let it die already!

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Originally posted by cammie whoa! i go to work and come home...there's 10 more pages. i finally got through reading them and my head is spinning...i feel like i spent a week in church...wow i didnt know you had so much bible knowledge, occ....you're fantastic. i was lucky that i was able to memorize my cathecism! i gotta say...i have lots of friends who have different religions....jewish, hindu, buddist, muslim, shinto, gaiam, even one goddess, but it's the fundie christians who usually annoy the crap out of me, because they dont know when to shut up. nellie, didnt jesus tell his followers that when they went to a new town, if people didnt believe what they had to say, they (the disciples) should leave town and let them get what they deserve? (something about sodom and gomorrah, i think????) so........just let it die already!

But beating dead horses is such a fun sport!!!!

I can't believe Opus and occrider have not both given up yet.

MrS

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Originally posted by WhoaNellie1487 Do whatever you feel like doing.

Wooosssshhhhh!!!! Gotta make it count!

yeah im tired..what happened to the thread starter? i say we call it a "whatever"

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drug tito And you haven't answered the second question. What about people who never had the chance to be introduced to Jesus's teachings? What about native americans prior to 1492? What about aborigines? What about people who lived prior to Christ? What about those living in remote regions of the world where Jesus's teachings aren't known?

It's Interesting that the Aboriginal religion is over 38,000 years older than Christianity. And it contains no concept of hell.

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Going by archaeological evidence, the oldest extant religion is that of the Australian Aborigines. Period. End of discussion. No other religion even comes close to its age. Complex religious pictograms found at 2 sites near Penrith and Lake Mungo in New South Wales and 1 site in Western Australia detail the Aboriginal belief in "The Dreaming" (i.e., the period of time in which the 'Wodjina' created, formed, and differentiated the world). These sites date from 45,000 BCE to 38,000 BCE respectively.

Shamefully, the early English settlers and Australians attempted to wipe out this religion by stealing an entire generation of Aboriginal children to teach them Christian values in some parts of Australia. Something that our devout christian leader John Howard will not apologise for...

Shakka i believe that helicopters name is Elvis

im the thread started, and ive just gotten home, around 7pm. last time i was on, yesterday, there was some 20 pages. now its like 26. i cant keep up. what i do is just look at the last page, and start from there.

but anyways. there are no contradictions in the bible. u just dont understand any of the logic. the bible is a book written FOR christians, BY christians, and understood ONLY by christians. it isnt just some book. all its views, stories, and content are geared toward the christian reading it. those with the holy spirit. u will never understand biblical content if u dont have the holy spirit, because that is the gift god gives you, that OPENS your eyes.

again i tell you, u will never understand the bible because it not the book because the content is not for those without the holy spirit. and as i tell you this, i know, u will laugh at the words im saying, try to refute what im saying, or not believe what im saying. all this just proves my point. u do not understand the bible, unless u are reading it from the perspective it was meant for. the bible's content does not say the things it says to anybody and everybody. it is for only those who have the perspective the bible was meant for. those with the holy spirit.

lastly, i say again, u won understand what i say, or what the bible says, because it is not from your perspective. but again and again, i will use the bible as my source, because i believe it to be the most credible source there is. even though, u dont understand the logic, perspective of the words i qoute out of it.

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Going by archaeological evidence, the oldest extant religion is that of the Australian Aborigines. Period. End of discussion. No other religion even comes close to its age. Complex religious pictograms found at 2 sites near Penrith and Lake Mungo in New South Wales and 1 site in Western Australia detail the Aboriginal belief in "The Dreaming" (i.e., the period of time in which the 'Wodjina' created, formed, and differentiated the world). These sites date from 45,000 BCE to 38,000 BCE respectively.

there is no excuse for not knowing god. automatically, if your reading my words, u have no excuse for not knowing god. there is within us, an instinct of god. that gives us our concept of "right" and "wrong". morality.
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Romans 1:20
For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities–his eternal power and divine nature–have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse
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John 15:22
If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not be guilty of sin. Now, however, they have no excuse for their sin.

This is what used to be permisible. not knowing god. now that jesus has come to this earth, now there is no excuse for not knowing god. now, there is NO excuse for sin. none at all.
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John 1:18
No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father's side, has made him known.

many of u dont believe because u have never "seen" god. but jesus did, and he came to this earth, so therefore we HAVE seen god. because jesus was god on earth. so that "not seeing god" is no longer valid.

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there is no excuse for not knowing god. automatically, if your reading my words, u have no excuse for not knowing god. there is within us, an instinct of god. that gives us our concept of "right" and "wrong". morality.

I do know god, the giant cookie monster gives me a sense of right and wrong, and will smite my enemies. you have no excuese for not believing in him

im the thread started, and ive just gotten home, around 7pm. last time i was on, yesterday, there was some 20 pages. now its like 26. i cant keep up. what i do is just look at the last page, and start from there.

but anyways. there are no contradictions in the bible. u just dont understand any of the logic. the bible is a book written FOR christians, BY christians, and understood ONLY by christians. it isnt just some book. all its views, stories, and content are geared toward the christian reading it. those with the holy spirit. u will never understand biblical content if u dont have the holy spirit, because that is the gift god gives you, that OPENS your eyes.

again i tell you, u will never understand the bible because it not the book because the content is not for those without the holy spirit. and as i tell you this, i know, u will laugh at the words im saying, try to refute what im saying, or not believe what im saying. all this just proves my point. u do not understand the bible, unless u are reading it from the perspective it was meant for. the bible's content does not say the things it says to anybody and everybody. it is for only those who have the perspective the bible was meant for. those with the holy spirit.

lastly, i say again, u won understand what i say, or what the bible says, because it is not from your perspective. but again and again, i will use the bible as my source, because i believe it to be the most credible source there is. even though, u dont understand the logic, perspective of the words i qoute out of it.
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Coming back to what i posted above, these are plenty of scripture u may not comprehend, but make my point. u dont know the power of god, or scripture. so i wouldnt recommend trying to prove your point with the bible, as some have done, because it makes no sense in your cause.

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Mark 12:24
Jesus replied, "Are you not in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God?

^^My favorite when i see u try to refute the bible, by using it for your own disbelief..
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Luke 8:10
He said, "The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of God has been given to you, but to others I speak in parables, so that, " 'though seeing, they may not see; though hearing, they may not understand.

the knowledge and secrets he is talking about is to those who have accepted him and recieved the holy spirit. we have the knowledge of the secrets of god.

but to others who have not this gift, jesus spoke to them in parables "stories", so that they might understand a little, but not all. because only a believer can understand all that jesus's message says.

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Matthew 22:29
Jesus replied, "You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God.
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Isaiah 40:28
Do you not know? Have you not heard? The LORD is the everlasting God, the Creator of the ends of the earth. He will not grow tired or weary, and his understanding no one can fathom.

someone said, "whats wrong with us trying to fathom?" i think it was diginut. whoever said it was wrong to fathom?? as this verse said, his power, and understanding, his nature, none of us cant even fathom it. Same goes along with the verse below....

Ecclesiastes 8:17
then I saw all that God has done. No one can comprehend what goes on under the sun. Despite all his efforts to search it out, man cannot discover its meaning. Even if a wise man claims he knows, he cannot really comprehend it.

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Originally posted by Heinz im the thread started, and ive just gotten home, around 7pm. last time i was on, yesterday, there was some 20 pages. now its like 26. i cant keep up. what i do is just look at the last page, and start from there. but anyways. there are no contradictions in the bible. u just dont understand any of the logic. the bible is a book written FOR christians, BY christians, and understood ONLY by christians. it isnt just some book. all its views, stories, and content are geared toward the christian reading it. those with the holy spirit. u will never understand biblical content if u dont have the holy spirit, because that is the gift god gives you, that OPENS your eyes. again i tell you, u will never understand the bible because it not the book because the content is not for those without the holy spirit. and as i tell you this, i know, u will laugh at the words im saying, try to refute what im saying, or not believe what im saying. all this just proves my point. u do not understand the bible, unless u are reading it from the perspective it was meant for. the bible's content does not say the things it says to anybody and everybody. it is for only those who have the perspective the bible was meant for. those with the holy spirit. lastly, i say again, u won understand what i say, or what the bible says, because it is not from your perspective. but again and again, i will use the bible as my source, because i believe it to be the most credible source there is. even though, u dont understand the logic, perspective of the words i qoute out of it.

Isn't Christianity more geared towards the bible and not vice versa? I don't think you have to be "Christian" to understand the Bible. It's not like there are secret messages in there that only become visible before the eyes of a Christian.

You simply have to research different faiths if that's your thing, and try to find one that feels right for you.

It seems to me that just about all cultures have their own unique creation story which essentially is the same story with different characters and weird funky twists, but the end result is basically the same. There's similarities with the 'beloved son' as well. Jesus has many traits that were displayed by the saviors of many other religions.

Perhaps it's not so much an issue of people not being able to understand the Bible. Perhaps it's more an issue of people not reading and processing the information in the Bible because it's volumous and the language is a bit confusing and required pause.