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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN only the troofers think there's a debate still to be had. why give credence to a bunch of nonsense and internet detectives?

and really whats the worst that could possibly happen from having a simple debate? what do we have to loose here?

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer and really whats the worst that could possibly happen from having a simple debate? what do we have to loose here?

it's "lose"

by engaging in a debate (of sorts) you give credence to the movement. simple fact is- there is no debate. a few internet detectives do not count the subject has been argued to death. only the crazy tinfoil hat brigade still see anything here.

then there's the matter of the truth movement's inability to debate properly. just search for the popular mechanics V loose change children video. seriously, dylan avery accuses the guys from PM of being "liars". what kind of intellectual commitment is that?

or go and search for the history channel edition that covered it. what happened afterwards? the troofers complaining that various theories/evidence were ignored. you cant please these people, anymore than you could please bush that iraq didnt have any WMD. its a farce and some people have such a deep need to believe it that any "debate" is a pointless exercise.

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Goalpost moving is the one I see the most. Here atleast, especially from 9/11 conspiracy theorists. You expose their bad logic in one area than they create a circular arguement in another area with bad transitional posts, making them look glaringly stupid. But dont worry lads! If you say it loud enough and post enough 'Video Evidence' we'll believe you eventually!

If you just stopped being so fanatical, letting your emotions control you you'd probably win some minds. But so far I havnt met such a conspiracy theorist. Perhaps because in essence, this theory requires such un-productive emotions and bad-logic to exist.

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Over 3000 innocent people died on 9/11, the tolls for the bullshit wars started over "terrorism" is over 1 Million dead.

Yes people are going to get emotional.

F*cking geniuses on this board.

Eh? This is about dis-creditting the government, not the war. Anyway, if your wrong your wrong wether your emotions are involved or not.

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Originally posted by The Arbiter Eh? This is about dis-creditting the government, not the war. Anyway, if your wrong your wrong wether your emotions are involved or not.

9/11 was the major gateway and continues to be the excuse for everything the US and shadow government (bankers, defense contractors, etc) wishes to get their dirty hands involved in.

Patriot Act, phone tapping, Homeland Security, rigged elections and soon to be internet clamp down all brought to you in the name of "TERROR"

Over a million people dead over bullshit is going to cause emotion especially when things do not look like they are going to get better anytime soon.

The government if you wish to call it that discredited themselves a very long time ago, now that so many innocent have died did you really expect the majority of people not to be pissed?

Open your eyes.

Last edited by culorut on Oct-25-2007 at 01:31

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Originally posted by culorut 9/11 was the major gateway and continues to be the excuse for everything the US and shadow government (bankers, defense contractors, etc) wishes to get their dirty hands involved in. Patriot Act, phone tapping, Homeland Security, rigged elections and soon to be internet clamp down all brought to you in the name of "TERROR" Over a million people dead over bullshit is going to cause emotion especially when things do not look like they are going to get better anytime soon. The government if you wish to call it that discredited themselves a very long time ago, now that so many innocent have died did you really expect the majority of people not to be pissed? Open your eyes.

Very well said my friend.

Trust me tho alot of people are slowly waking up and are begining to realize whats really happening areound them.

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Originally posted by culorut 9/11 was the major gateway and continues to be the excuse for everything the US and shadow government (bankers, defense contractors, etc) wishes to get their dirty hands involved in. Patriot Act, phone tapping, Homeland Security, rigged elections and soon to be internet clamp down all brought to you in the name of "TERROR" Over a million people dead over bullshit is going to cause emotion especially when things do not look like they are going to get better anytime soon. The government if you wish to call it that discredited themselves a very long time ago, now that so many innocent have died did you really expect the majority of people not to be pissed? Open your eyes.

but the debate isnt about this. if we were arguing about that i think you'd find a lot of people's opinions would be quite different.

you can't use this as any kind of evidence. political opportunism and incompetence does not equal complicity.

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Originally posted by culorut It is exactly about this, all of it in fact. Because your shallow mind cannot comprehend it does not make it false.

man, you should really take some night classes in logic or principles of argument etc

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