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| quote: | Originally posted by MarkT
2. They need a good shooter at the SG position who routinely practices good shot selection. they don't have that. Spreading the D only is effective if good ball movement is constantly practiced and the Raps fail to do that too. How many times do witness the open man ignored with someone instead taking a terrible shot? |
They have a good shooter. His name in Anthony Parker. As I've said before the whole team is built with "good" shooters. Calderon? Shooter. Kapono? Shooter. Bosh? Shooter. Bargnani? Shooter. How the heck do you expect the teams problems to be addressed by adding ANOTHER shooter? They need an athletic, dynamic SG that can drive and create. One who isn't afraid of contact.
| quote: | | 3. Bosh is undersized and weak? I sure don't know about that. What he lacks in sheer strength, he makes up for in agility and range. Bosh is undefendable by most guys, one-on-one (Dwight is a clear exception). If you figure that at least one opposing big man has to move further out to cover Bargnani, there should be additional opportunities for Bosh and Marion inside. |
Yes, it's pretty clear he's weak physically and mentally; thus he's undersized for a position that is as much about size as it is about athleticism. He's got a wide variety of moves on offense but his lack of strength has him at a disadvantage against real PF's that are competent on defense. And Bosh dominates Dwight.
| quote: | | most problems stem not from the personnel...but a failure to stick to a game plan with good ball movement, IMHO. not an easy thing, but I think the Raps have the talent to play SO much better. They are mentally weak as a team and further trades isn't going to help them gel. |
They're definitely better on paper than their record shows but assuming a best case scenario they're still not Top 5 worthy in the East. They're too unbalanced talent-wise and the mental weakness just holds them back. They rely on jump shots to get them back into the game. The only person that attacks the rim is Joey and to a lesser extent Marion whenever Calderon actually decides to pass it to him.
| quote: | curious to know who your 'top 5' PG would be 
then consider whether or not any PG other than CP3 or Deron are arguably a short-term fix or on the decline (Nash, Kidd) and therefore not as good a fit long-term as Jose...since this team isn't winning shit this year or next. Unless CP3 or Deron are replacing him, I'll argue that the Raps are perhaps downgrading at PG by dealing Jose.
dealing Jose makes sense if you have a player in waiting and Ukic is waaaaay too unproven to start next year. deal him for a big-time SG and acquire a 'decent' veteran PG to bring along Ukic? maybe, but I wouldn't. |
Top 5? CP3, Deron, Billups, Rondo, Rose, Tony Parker, Steve Nash, Jason Kidd, Jameer Nelson and possibly Westbrook (hardly seen him play).
As for them "downgrading" at PG it really depends who they get back, who else is dealt, who they draft, etc. 1 option could be them bringing in a vet. PG to play alongside Ukic. Or drafting somebody like Ricky Rubio who has way more upside. Or just wait it out and see what the situation is like after next season and focus on addressing other problems. How about signing Mike Biddy in the off season and dealing Jose+someone else for another type of player/players that we need? Eg that athletic swingman we so desperately need.
| quote: | dump Bosh? ok...then who replaces him at PF and how are they an upgrade?
btw...you just called Bosh undersized and weak, but are suggesting that Lee is a viable C? come on now, lol! Lee scores and rebounds. He doesn't block and doesn't have the range of skills of either Bosh or Bargnani. |
Going back to the whole "shooters" thing; how do you expect Bosh and Marion to dominate the paint when their games aren't suited for that? Yes Lee may not be the biggest C out there but the guy is an animal in getting rebounds, and in turn creating 2nd chance opportunities for his team. The guy is top 3 in rebounding and he's mobile on the court (big plus for a "running" team). It's not all about skill range. Sometimes you need to balance out. It doesn't make any sense to have both of your bigs being perimeter players. This is why O'Neal didn't work out in T.O. Although he's leagues ahead of Bosh on the defensive end; their offensive game is too similar (with Bosh being more versatile and efficient).
| quote: | Biedrins is a fantastic C. I drafted him the last two years in Fantasy, but he's just now blossoming into a major player. on the Raps it would mean moving Bargnani out of his (arguably) optimal position, so I'm not sure how that works...,unless you're either dealing Bargnani or Bosh to get him.
Marion-Bargnani-Biedrins? hmmmmmm...that would be interesting. presumably the Raps get more than just a straight-up move and it could mean an upgrade at SG too. |
There was a proposed trade (as in: proposed by an editor as the "best trade" for Toronto to make, not an actual rumour) that would send Chris Bosh to Golden State for Biedrins, Belinelli, Randolph, Turiaf and a 1st round pick. I'm sorry but a trade like this pretty much fills up any hole the team has. On top of that it has a ton of assets for any further patchwork needed (still pretty weak on the wings in terms of defense).
This line up:
PG: Calderon-Ukic-Belinelli
SG: Belinelli-Parker-Graham
SF: Marion-Randolph-Graham
PF: Bargnani-Randolph-Humphreys
C: Biedrins-Bargnani-Turiaf
We`d get WAY younger but would have a much more complete team imo
| quote: | The reason I mentioned him is that acquiring him it doesn't necessitate a trade...but clearly there are trade/free agent options who would be better.
I'd sooner see Defino as the starting SG than anyone currently on the Raps roster. |
Well considering we only have Parker as a viable option (and maybe Joey Graham) yea Delfino isn't that bad, but he offers nothing to the team that is needed.
Last edited by infinity HiGH on Mar-08-2009 at 23:56
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