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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Modern mainstream trance has a poor sense of rhythm because it's made for home listening and stationary fist-pumping, not dancing.

IDM has much more rythmn, and thats meant for home listening more then mainstream trance.

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Originally posted by Darkarbiter IDM has much more rythmn, and thats meant for home listening more then mainstream trance.

One of the points of IDM is exploration of complex and non-repetitive rhythms. That hardly lends itself to dancing, but can make for interesting listening. On the other hand, today's trance hardly has any interesting rhythmic content at all.

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Originally posted by Trance-MB Not dancing?

When I've been to trance events with the big DJs, most people stand around and pump their fists rather than dance.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles When I've been to trance events with the big DJs, most people stand around and pump their fists rather than dance.

Do people ever dance at big events?

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles One of the points of IDM is exploration of complex and non-repetitive rhythms. That hardly lends itself to dancing, but can make for interesting listening. On the other hand, today's trance hardly has any interesting rhythmic content at all.

Indeed, it's rather ironic that intelligent dance music goes out of its way to not be particularly dancey (although it isn't really ambient or anything either, so certainly still danceable)

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Originally posted by Darkarbiter Indeed, it's rather ironic that intelligent dance music goes out of its way to not be particularly dancey (although it isn't really ambient or anything either, so certainly still danceable)

I think a lot of people mistake intelligence (as music is concerned) with eccentricity. The tacit ad hominem is stated thus: This music is called intelligent because only intelligent people like it, hence if you do not like it, you must not be intelligent.

I don't believe that all music referring to itself as 'intelligent' is made with such an intent and have even heard some danceable intelligent house. The balance of music, I've heard, referring to itself as intelligent, however, has just been undanceable and eccentric.

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Originally posted by EddieZilker I think a lot of people mistake intelligence (as music is concerned) with eccentricity. The tacit ad hominem is stated thus: This music is called intelligent because only intelligent people like it, hence if you do not like it, you must not be intelligent. I don't believe that all music referring to itself as 'intelligent' is made with such an intent and have even heard some danceable intelligent house. The balance of music, I've heard, referring to itself as intelligent, however, has just been undanceable and eccentric.

Well the intelligent part is used to suggest jazz influence, which it is fairly influenced by.

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Originally posted by Darkarbiter Well the intelligent part is used to suggest jazz influence, which it is fairly influenced by.

I'll need to hear a selection because it's possible you and I could be discussing two completely different things. For what it's worth, I consider the music I produce to be influenced by jazz.

Oh shit!

Maybe I'm just making eccentric crap!


Thinking about it, I can see your point (intelligent Drum & Bass). Usually when I think of jazz-inspired music though, I think of Mark Farina.

Again, I'm sure there are distinctions that have yet to be made.

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Originally posted by EddieZilker Usually when I think of jazz-inspired music though, I think of Mark Farina.

haha, there is a much much much broader history of jazz infused electronic music

herbie hancock, carl craig, alton miller, glenn underground, st germain, matthew herbert, kirk degiorgio, kuniyuki, henrik schwarz, kevin yost, but to name a select few.


trance-mb, thank you for the review of my fix lol.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles When I've been to trance events with the big DJs, most people stand around and pump their fists rather than dance.

It's a bit difficult to dance and drink at the same time. Putting one hand in the air and drink with the other is no problem. I guess many people were thirsty.

Seriously, I don't know if this is something you see everywhere. I never noticed this. Is it just trance or could it have to do with mainstream?

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Originally posted by nefardec haha, there is a much much much broader history of jazz infused electronic music herbie hancock, carl craig, alton miller, glenn underground, st germain, matthew herbert, kirk degiorgio, kuniyuki, henrik schwarz, kevin yost, but to name a select few.

I agree. I have been ignorant of all but one (herbie hancock) in your abbreviated list. I chose Mark Farina for the sake of my erstwhile argument (now wreaking of unflattering obsolescence) along with the fact that when one googles "Mushroom Jazz" his is one of the first names to populate the results.

Judging from the preview I had of your set archive, the other night, I suspect you know an awful lot about jazz influences in modern electronic music. As soon as I finish this track, I plan on taking an extended listen.

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Originally posted by Darkarbiter Indeed, it's rather ironic that intelligent dance music goes out of its way to not be particularly dancey (although it isn't really ambient or anything either, so certainly still danceable)

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Originally posted by EddieZilker I think a lot of people mistake intelligence (as music is concerned) with eccentricity. The tacit ad hominem is stated thus: This music is called intelligent because only intelligent people like it, hence if you do not like it, you must not be intelligent.

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Originally posted by Darkarbiter Well the intelligent part is used to suggest jazz influence, which it is fairly influenced by.

IDM as a term is an inheritance of the past, and is used today only because of its compactness and catchiness. Music is not really more intelligent than some other genres of EDM (although it uses more complex rhythm patterns, time signatures, and it's usually much less formularic).

IDM got its name after the IDM list, which was created to discuss the music released in Warp's Artificial Intelligence series (ironically, early IDM was quite danceable). So you see, IDM was never about "we're intelligent and you're not", although some elitist douchebags like to think that and point that out. They are equivalent of minimal hipsters on this board, and nobody should really give a shit about them.

And IDM was never influenced by jazz, the first one who started to incorporate elements of jazz into IDM was Squarepusher in the second part of the 90's, long after the IDM was born.