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Originally posted by Shakka Isn't Christianity more geared towards the bible and not vice versa? I don't think you have to be "Christian" to understand the Bible. It's not like there are secret messages in there that only become visible before the eyes of a Christian. You simply have to research different faiths if that's your thing, and try to find one that feels right for you. It seems to me that just about all cultures have their own unique creation story which essentially is the same story with different characters and weird funky twists, but the end result is basically the same. There's similarities with the 'beloved son' as well. Jesus has many traits that were displayed by the saviors of many other religions. Perhaps it's not so much an issue of people not being able to understand the Bible. Perhaps it's more an issue of people not reading and processing the information in the Bible because it's volumous and the language is a bit confusing and required pause.

thanks for proving my point perfectly. u have no concept of the purpose of the bible, christianity, or god who made the bible.

Mark 12:24
Jesus replied, "Are you not in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God?

u fit right in...^

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Originally posted by Heinz thanks for proving my point perfectly. u have no concept of the purpose of the bible, christianity, or god who made the bible. Mark 12:24 Jesus replied, "Are you not in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God? u fit right in...^

This sounds like special pleading to me.

"Uri Geller used special pleading when he claimed that the presence of unbelievers (such as stage magicians) made him unable to demonstrate his psychic powers." (ref)

You seem to be claiming that in order to analyze the veracity of the claims made within the Bible, one must already accept those claims as true. Obviously, if the same standard were applied to all other writings, no one could deny that Zeus does in fact exist. Clearly this is problematic, as it shields the Bible and Christianity from rational inquiry - perhaps because they cannot withstand it?

Good post arbiter. I'm not sure it will sink in though.

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Originally posted by Heinz im the thread started, and ive just gotten home, around 7pm. last time i was on, yesterday, there was some 20 pages. now its like 26. i cant keep up. what i do is just look at the last page, and start from there. but anyways. there are no contradictions in the bible. u just dont understand any of the logic. the bible is a book written FOR christians, BY christians, and understood ONLY by christians. it isnt just some book. all its views, stories, and content are geared toward the christian reading it. those with the holy spirit. u will never understand biblical content if u dont have the holy spirit, because that is the gift god gives you, that OPENS your eyes. again i tell you, u will never understand the bible because it not the book because the content is not for those without the holy spirit. and as i tell you this, i know, u will laugh at the words im saying, try to refute what im saying, or not believe what im saying. all this just proves my point. u do not understand the bible, unless u are reading it from the perspective it was meant for. the bible's content does not say the things it says to anybody and everybody. it is for only those who have the perspective the bible was meant for. those with the holy spirit. lastly, i say again, u won understand what i say, or what the bible says, because it is not from your perspective. but again and again, i will use the bible as my source, because i believe it to be the most credible source there is. even though, u dont understand the logic, perspective of the words i qoute out of it.

Alright no contradictions, I simply don't understand the bible because I'm not a christian or whatever (I'm catholic by the way). It was very kind of you to repeat yourself three times so that your words could permeate the dense anti-bible fog surrounding my brain that repels all understanding. Ok well, since I don't understand, and since you DO understand so amazingly well, please go back to my original post about "apparent" contradictions and please reconcile the differences. Better yet, I'll start simple.

Can you please translate the following bible speak:

2 Sam 24:9
"And Joab gave up the sum of the number of the people unto the king; and there were in Israel eight hundred thousand valiant men that drew the sword; and the men of Judah five hundred thousand men."

And translate this bible speak:

1 Chr 21:5
"And Joab gave the sum of the number of the people unto David. And all they of Israel were a thousand thousand and a hundred thousand [1,100,000] men that drew sword; and Judah was four hundred three score and ten thousand [470,000] men that drew the sword."


Into English so that I can understand that they make complete logical and mathematical sense? Is there some kind of bible math that I'm completely missing out on?

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u just dont understand any of the logic. the bible is a book written FOR christians, BY christians, and understood ONLY by christians.

So how do you explain say a Buddhist converting to Christianity. Look at it like this, the Buddhist converts because he thinks that the Christian faith is the correct one, because he was told by preachers that it was the correct faith and because the bible told him so. According to you, this is impossible, because he doesn't understand the scriptures and never will because he isn't a Christian. And the preachers that preach the bible are just putting the written words into spoken language and adding a bit of hell-fire and eternal damnation to spice it up. Or a kid. You aren't born Christian, you learn Christianity (or are forcefully taught) and then accept Jesus. But you wouldn't be able to understand the bible anyways so why would you convert in the first place.

And what about people that understood the bible (where Christian) but magically one day just stopped understanding it and can't understand it again because they aren't Christian, but then get born-again and understand it again and it all ends up like

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Originally posted by PhloTron You obvioulsly are bothered by the thought (not hell as in specific, but the religion in general) because you are so adimate about posting about it...it obvioulsly bothers you what people think about you. It's human nature to wonder what others think about you. It's just up to that person to either act on those thoughts, or attempt to counter them by passive means. The easiest thing to do would be to write it off, continue with your own beliefs and be happy about it. However, it's pretty simple here that you'd just rather argue about it and try and prove that you are in the right. And when you speak of hypocracy...maybe the first place you should look is at yourself.

Why don't you tell that to the Jehova (sp) Witnesses or the Catholics going around trying to spread the word of Christ. There is no difference between us and them. We are trying to spread the word that the bible is not historically accurate, full of contradictions, and illogical. They are trying to spread the word that the bible is perfect, God is perfect, Jesus existed, etc...

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If he would allow homosexuals, why did he make Eve and not just another man.

Because God wanted to start a race and we all know two males cannot bare a child. That doesn't make homosexuals evil or that God doesn't allow them.
So who is going to post a senseless bible quote now?

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Originally posted by WhoaNellie1487 But,God is fair. If they haven't had the chance of hearing about God,they will be judge by their heart. You aren't stumping me here you know.

So make up your mind then! Either the bible is correct and people can only go to heaven through acknowledging and accepting Jesus, or they can go there just for being good people. So which of it is correct?

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I would just like to mention that the two people who keep making these circular references to the bible and Christianity are both 16 (and live south of the Mason-Dixon line too btw)

I know this will get the response of "what does 16 have to do with anything?". So I will address it now.

Answer: EVERYTHING

When one is 16 you get into this phase of "I know everything and everyone else is stoopid" (we all did). You are old enough to drive a car (in the US), you are just close enough to 17 to get into R Rated movies no problem, and you are halfway through high school and become more entrenched in the mass-personality cult that is high school. Your hormones are on overdrive and it makes you considerably more obstinate than you would normally be.

Once you get out of high school you will realize that you DIDN'T know everything. You will realize the sheer volume of things you were sheltered from by your parents, teachers, and by the insular society you were a part of.

They will ask now "Who are you to say these things?" I will tell you.

A decade ago, I was the intellectual king of my little high school world. I was more well read, got better grades, and had a much stronger personality than 99.5% of the people in the school. I had an ego the size of the Hindenburg that was continually inflated with hot air as I went along. It was not until after I had left high school that I saw how much of an idiot I was and the ego deflated to about the size of a VW microbus, still a decent size, but manageable. It was then that I realized that Socrates was right when he said "The only knowledge is in knowing that you know nothing."

The 16 year olds will continue to disagree with me because that is what they do best....but I would venture to guess that even the evil zionist-mustard clan will agree with me on many points.

Man, fallin asleep at 8 pm when you usually go to bed at 11-12 means you have weird thoughts when you wake up 2 hours earlier than usual

MrS

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being 16 also sheds some light on Nellies Atheist convert friend

i changed religions more than i changed my underwear when i was 16

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Originally posted by MrSquirrel I would just like to mention that the two people who keep making these circular references to the bible and Christianity are both 16 (and live south of the Mason-Dixon line too btw) I know this will get the response of "what does 16 have to do with anything?". So I will address it now. Answer: EVERYTHING When one is 16 you get into this phase of "I know everything and everyone else is stoopid" (we all did). You are old enough to drive a car (in the US), you are just close enough to 17 to get into R Rated movies no problem, and you are halfway through high school and become more entrenched in the mass-personality cult that is high school. Your hormones are on overdrive and it makes you considerably more obstinate than you would normally be. Once you get out of high school you will realize that you DIDN'T know everything. You will realize the sheer volume of things you were sheltered from by your parents, teachers, and by the insular society you were a part of. They will ask now "Who are you to say these things?" I will tell you. A decade ago, I was the intellectual king of my little high school world. I was more well read, got better grades, and had a much stronger personality than 99.5% of the people in the school. I had an ego the size of the Hindenburg that was continually inflated with hot air as I went along. It was not until after I had left high school that I saw how much of an idiot I was and the ego deflated to about the size of a VW microbus, still a decent size, but manageable. It was then that I realized that Socrates was right when he said "The only knowledge is in knowing that you know nothing." The 16 year olds will continue to disagree with me because that is what they do best....but I would venture to guess that even the evil zionist-mustard clan will agree with me on many points. Man, fallin asleep at 8 pm when you usually go to bed at 11-12 means you have weird thoughts when you wake up 2 hours earlier than usual MrS

nice generalization, but i wasnt even thinking about my age when i started this. who else is 16 other than me??

but, what your trying to say to me is, that because i am 16, you are automatically right, and my arguements are irrelevant. do i have to be 18 so that i can argue with you??

your right on many things. u CAN say my hormones are raging, because they truelly are. and so are the girls

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Originally posted by Heinz but, what your trying to say to me is, that because i am 16, you are automatically right, and my arguements are irrelevant. do i have to be 18 so that i can argue with you??

evidence put forward by the theists and atheists have already proved your argument wrong. He has given us an explanation as to why you are so tenaciously adamant in your convictions which all the evidence in the world will not sway

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Originally posted by Heinz thanks for proving my point perfectly. u have no concept of the purpose of the bible, christianity, or god who made the bible. Mark 12:24 Jesus replied, "Are you not in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God? u fit right in...^

I'm not sure what to make of this. I wasn't attacking you--I was making a generalization about general reading comprehension. You don't have to be Christian to understand the Bible, you simply have to be literate. How one interprets the Bible will obviously depend on their upbringing and cultural beliefs. I can't tell if you're trying to call me an idiot or if you're making a generalization in turn.