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Originally posted by Durrrtysouth Hey Derek. Nice to see you on the boards. I do have to say that "Simple" was a lovely tune.

ROFLMAO?

No.

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Originally posted by speedracer_mec See thats where you're wrong buddy. Take a ride to the past and go back to 1999-2000 Matt Darey was at his top of his game producing real epic trance. He used very similar beat formulas but produced tunes which clearly were different from each other. Each tune had a beautiful magic spark to them EX: NightCrawlers-Never knew Love(matt darey remix) Gigolo-Al PAradiso (matt darey remix) M3-Bailamos Gabrielle-RIse(matt darey) GO listen to those tunes...similar formula but gorgeous sprinkle of pure talent Lets flash forward to 2004 Derek howell is a producing Genious Similar Prog Dreamy Breaky Formula but complete perfection and finetuning to never allow a rehashed melody like those McProg CHeeseHeads. Ex: Derek Howell-Come Again Derek Howell-NonTechno Piece Derek Howell-Aphotic Derek Howell's remix oF Smight-God Strike's here Compare now with today's McProg Pioneers All of Markus S. ColdHarbour Remixes?----WTF??? All of Prosbot's whack ass tunes...Name some that exemplify perfection and nonsimilarity of formulas? Perry Oneill--......... *sigh* do i need say more?

unfortunately, i never said that derek howell didn't make good productions and i never said that markus, probspot, or perry o'neil are better producers, because thats just not true. I was making a point that Derek Howell does reuse similiar sounds and instruments in his tracks just like probspot does, and you can't honestly say all their tracks sound the same because you can easily pick out tracks which don't. Probspot - Blueberry or Probspot - Midnight. howabout, Perry O'Neil - Cold Fusion, Perry O'Neil - Wave Force (possibly the most hated prog-trance song on ta ever, lol!). and markus schulz... well i dunno his productions too well. never really got into his stuff. but look, all i'm saying is technically, these producers are pretty good and don't nearly deserve all the hate you guys give. you guys really go to extremes when your describing the quality of tracks and i think you should be a little bit more realistic.

@ this thread...

geez put all that time hatin and criticizin into something useful.

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This is amusing.

So, I have a question. Do the four to the floor mixes of Luke Chable count as McProg? Does Tilt - The World Doesn't Know classify? Benz and MD? If so, I love McProg and will continue to play it regardless of how much hating you people can do.

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Hey Ory, about your earlier post. How you want a counter arguement about someshit. It's an opinion, you can not argue an opinion and expect to counter it. I'm sure your are a nice guy out in the real world but a lot of your arguements don't jusify what you stand for, in some cases you contradict yourself.


This thread has gone down the shitter, we are arguing about a completely different issue, i hope you people can realise this and end the pathetic thread.

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Originally posted by Camwin Hey Ory, about your earlier post. How you want a counter arguement about someshit. It's an opinion, you can not argue an opinion and expect to counter it. I'm sure your are a nice guy out in the real world but a lot of your arguements don't jusify what you stand for, in some cases you contradict yourself. This thread has gone down the shitter, we are arguing about a completely different issue, i hope you people can realise this and end the pathetic thread.

I was talking about the fact that McProg producers go by a formula to create their music. I mean, it's so obvious that their tracks sound so very similar, to me anyway. It doesn't seem like it, to you.

EDIT: A counter argument to that would be; "McProg isn't formulaic and unoriginal because..."

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Originally posted by DJ Mikey Mike If I wanted to listen to a DJ bang out shit as weak sounding as Andy Moor / Markus Schulz etc. i'd go listen to Armin van Buuren. Nothing fucks me off more than a fan that thinks a DJ can do no wrong. There is a lot of good music out there. How some people can be so easily pleased is beyond my comprehension.

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Originally posted by Ory I was talking about the fact that McProg producers go by a formula to create their music. I mean, it's so obvious that their tracks sound so very similar, to me anyway. It doesn't seem like it, to you. EDIT: A counter argument to that would be; "McProg isn't formulaic and unoriginal because..."

very true, but you take a standard McProg track, and any other trance track- no matter what they all generally follow the same pattern. IMO saying McProg is shit because they follow the same pattern or formula is a little harsh.
Do we consider PvD's productions mcprog? because he uses the same damn formula for all of his productions. the same boring basslines. Take Another Way and Connected. Same exact boring formula, same bassline, 2/3 of the way through the song changes key, then goes back, then it's over. Or how 'bout his TPOD mixes? same annoying ass clap that makes an appearance in ALL of his TPOD mixes - Club Attack, Empire, Guide me God, etc etc. using a formula to write a song is nothing new. Let's face it. most genres of trance are pretty damn predictable.

Exactly.

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Originally posted by DJ Mikey Mike If I wanted to listen to a DJ bang out shit as weak sounding as Andy Moor / Markus Schulz etc. i'd go listen to Armin van Buuren. Nothing fucks me off more than a fan that thinks a DJ can do no wrong. There is a lot of good music out there. How some people can be so easily pleased is beyond my comprehension.

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Originally posted by Ory EDIT: A counter argument to that would be; "McProg isn't formulaic and unoriginal because..."

but then they'd be lying

I think that this idea that there is an objective measure of quality music is false and that people say this to justify the common opinions of the groups that they find themselves in. They then come up with the "objective" measures based on what factors they beleive their favorite sound excels in.


This applies no matter the size, age, experiences, knowledge, or expertise of the group.