**edited because I don't have time to inflame anyone today.

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Originally posted by RickyM you're just a shit version of Moral Hazard. At least he knows what he's talking about.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN lol, i love it when moral feels the need to lay the smack down

Sad insults is the best response you can come up with? LOL. Here's a video to cheer you up. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsmD9iB5CiQ&eurl=http://www.google.com/reader/view/?tab=my

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Excuse me while I cry because some anonymous fucktard on the internet who spells "you" as "U" thinks that I'm not well-educated. You're definitely not helping to substantiate the argument that atheists are better-educated or have better critical thinking skills than theists.

Yes, and you're doing fucking wonders for the agnostic crowd. Oh, sorry you're not in a crowd. Forgot about that.

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That is still a positive claim, it is simply a weaker positive claim. If your doctor told you that "you probably have less than one week to live" without giving any additional information, wouldn't you be slightly suspicious?

The thing I love about logic is I don't have to prove god doesn't exist, someone else has to prove he does.

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Originally posted by dipsetrenegade The thing I love about logic is I don't have to prove god doesn't exist, someone else has to prove he does.

no....obviously logic is lost on you.

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GOD is probably really pissed off knowing what a mess mankind has made of his/her/it's Earth.


It sucks that at the present time, the bad outweighs the good.

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Originally posted by dipsetrenegade The thing I love about logic is I don't have to prove god doesn't exist, someone else has to prove he does.

It works both ways. Both camps need to prove their position, because thus far, neither has been able to.

The best science can do is discredit specific stories, but that will never prove the non-existence of a supreme being or energy that knit the universe together, the best science can prove is that specific religious stories are full of shit.

Until science can tell us how the universe was created, and how it was created from NOTHING (which would be necessary if there is no god(s)), then the best science can do is say "Hey, Noah's ark is impossible!".

The problem with science is that it's limited to what we can observe within our universe. If there is a creator, the creator doesn't live within this universe, the creator lives outside the realms of time and space. I picture someone like me playing Sim City, I'm not IN the city I create, I live in my own world, yet the city exists, and I have control over it. Do you suppose there are little sims running around my city questioning my existence? Probably not, it's just a computer game, but if there were, they would no sooner be able to prove my existence than we are capable of proving the existence of our creator.

Now, if a little message popped up on my screen one day from one of my little sims saying "Hey, I know you're out there Matt, the creator, I need some help, I'm stuck on this piece of deteriorating road down on H-78, think you could help me out? And I help that little sim, I've proved my existence to him, but he still has to share that with others, yet there'd be no evidence, no witnesses... Just one believer among the throng. I just performed a miracle for that little dude, and yet he'd still be shot down because scientifically, the miracle I performed would be impossible, and some little sim-scientist would say "Well, the wind must have blown away the debris." or some such "logical" explanation, yet, I go on existing, watching over my little city, protecting and caring for it, until the end of the day when it's time for bed, and I turn the damn computer off.

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Originally posted by Spam It works both ways. Both camps need to prove their position, because thus far, neither has been able to. The best science can do is discredit specific stories, but that will never prove the non-existence of a supreme being or energy that knit the universe together, the best science can prove is that specific religious stories are full of shit. Until science can tell us how the universe was created, and how it was created from NOTHING (which would be necessary if there is no god(s)), then the best science can do is say "Hey, Noah's ark is impossible!". The problem with science is that it's limited to what we can observe within our universe. If there is a creator, the creator doesn't live within this universe, the creator lives outside the realms of time and space. I picture someone like me playing Sim City, I'm not IN the city I create, I live in my own world, yet the city exists, and I have control over it. Do you suppose there are little sims running around my city questioning my existence? Probably not, it's just a computer game, but if there were, they would no sooner be able to prove my existence than we are capable of proving the existence of our creator. Now, if a little message popped up on my screen one day from one of my little sims saying "Hey, I know you're out there Matt, the creator, I need some help, I'm stuck on this piece of deteriorating road down on H-78, think you could help me out? And I help that little sim, I've proved my existence to him, but he still has to share that with others, yet there'd be no evidence, no witnesses... Just one believer among the throng. I just performed a miracle for that little dude, and yet he'd still be shot down because scientifically, the miracle I performed would be impossible, and some little sim-scientist would say "Well, the wind must have blown away the debris." or some such "logical" explanation, yet, I go on existing, watching over my little city, protecting and caring for it, until the end of the day when it's time for bed, and I turn the damn computer off.

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only shit like this would pass here in north america. well, even thought of in the first place.

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Originally posted by nycionx only shit like this would pass here in north america. well, even thought of in the first place.

uh, the atheist signs originated in england

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Originally posted by chinamon not true. i say "ugh" but i am a tranny.

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Originally posted by DJ_Elyot It is naive to conclude that strong atheism is fallacious or unjustified merely for unprovability reasons, and I wish diginut and others would stop doing this.

I never said that it was fallacious or unjustified. It's a belief, a philosophy. Philosophies cannot be wrong unless they are clearly based on false premises.

What's fallacious and unjustified is insisting to others that your belief must be completely and universally true merely because the alternatives are fallacious or illogical. Atheism is not a scientific position as several people here seem to believe; it is not testable, and does not and cannot predict outcomes.

You go ahead and believe what you believe on the basis of whatever logic you feel is adequate to justify it. Just cut the grandstanding until you have proof. Otherwise you're no better than the fundies.

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What still gets me, is if there is a god - what created god? what did god come from? Then in turn, what created what created god? and so on and so forth.

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Originally posted by kaniz What still gets me, is if there is a god - what created god? what did god come from? Then in turn, what created what created god? and so on and so forth.

What caused the big bang? Any rational explanation for the origins of the universe (assuming causality - try dispensing with that assumption if you want a real headache) relies on the existence of some actor that simply has no beginning, or somehow isn't subject to the laws of physics as we presently know them. It doesn't matter what your theory is, you can always ask "and what happened before that?"

A deist will say, without making any other assumptions, that said actor is/was sentient or at least organized. An atheist will say that the entire process was completely non-deterministic. Either position seems tenable to me based on what we know today. It only becomes untenable when you move into traditional religious territory and start making a whole bunch of arbitrary assumptions about the actor's form and function.

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