Actually the Likud Party are just realists. They're more pessimistic about the ability of the Palestinians to really live in peace. They'd rather not hand them over any land that is currently owned by Israel until the Palestinians prove themselves.
Thr Likud Party is right on all accounts - there are no illegal settlements in Israel. Those territories are currently in Israel's posession, have never been egally owned by Palestinians, and only owned by the Arab states for a couple of decades.
The Likud Party are tougher negotiators and arent just willing to hand the Golan Heights over to Syria without getting something concrete in return.

The Likud's party's charter doesnt suggest waging a jihad on another race or religion. The Hamas party is guilty of that.

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Originally posted by CHRles Actually the Likud Party are just realists. They're more pessimistic about the ability of the Palestinians to really live in peace. They'd rather not hand them over any land that is currently owned by Israel until the Palestinians prove themselves. Thr Likud Party is right on all accounts - there are no illegal settlements in Israel. Those territories are currently in Israel's posession, have never been egally owned by Palestinians, and only owned by the Arab states for a couple of decades. The Likud Party are tougher negotiators and arent just willing to hand the Golan Heights over to Syria without getting something concrete in return. The Likud's party's charter doesnt suggest waging a jihad on another race or religion. The Hamas party is guilty of that.

Look at this map...http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...stbankjan06.jpg

The West Bank is cut up like Swiss cheese, and it is NOT A PART OF ISRAEL. Until you prove that a blockade is not an act of war, the Palestinians have every right to fight back.

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Originally posted by CHRles Actually the Likud Party are just realists. They're more pessimistic about the ability of the Palestinians to really live in peace. They'd rather not hand them over any land that is currently owned by Israel until the Palestinians prove themselves. Thr Likud Party is right on all accounts - there are no illegal settlements in Israel. Those territories are currently in Israel's posession, have never been egally owned by Palestinians, and only owned by the Arab states for a couple of decades. The Likud Party are tougher negotiators and arent just willing to hand the Golan Heights over to Syria without getting something concrete in return. The Likud's party's charter doesnt suggest waging a jihad on another race or religion. The Hamas party is guilty of that.

Netanyahu has proven to be nothing short of a prophet regarding the Gaza strip.

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Originally posted by TranceGiant Netanyahu has proven to be nothing short of a prophet regarding the Gaza strip.

After saying this... "It’s 1938, and Iran is Germany, and Iran is racing to arm itself with atomic bombs”.

The man has lost touch with reality...

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No, Netanyahu is spot on with regards to reality and Iran.
Krypton is the one who needs a reality check.

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Originally posted by Krypton Look at this map...http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...stbankjan06.jpg The West Bank is cut up like Swiss cheese, and it is NOT A PART OF ISRAEL.

Actually it is part of Israel until Israel will decide if and when or whom to hand it over to.

I'm glad the West Bank has been cut up into swiss cheese, and I'm very glad Israel built the wall around it. Makes it a lot harder for terrorists/suicide bombers to carry out their attacks that way.

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Originally posted by Krypton Name one area of Gaza which isn't densely populated. Gaza has 7000 people per square mile. WTF do you expect?

I expect you to give me better answers then that. If you want to talk about geography and densely populated areas here are some facts for ya:
The number of people living in Manhattan also stands at 1.5 million (same as Gaza strip) yet it has over 70,000 people per square mile.

There are 800,000 people living in San Francisco with a density of 16,000 per square mile.

While Gaza City is very densely populated and small in area, its population only stands at 410,000, or the same number of people that live in the city of Miami. The rest of the strip is made up of smaller towns and villages.

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Originally posted by Krypton Now this is a great example of neocon-Zionist bullshit. Anyone who disagrees with you is an anti-Semite/anti-Jew. News flash, this pathetic insult does not faze me... It appears you'v posted an op-ed. Propaganda, if you didn't know, was the reporting of one point of view, but passed on as news.

Did I call it or what? The blockade was to stop the smuggling of rockets and mortars into Gaza. And, where's the "pathetic insult"? I'm calling it how it is: you are a Jew hater, and totally buy in to the Palestinian propoganda that they are all victims and not responsible for anything, and that anything they do is justified due to the evil bloodsucking Jew. If I was going to start with the pathetic insults, I'd get into your love of glowsticking, spinning fire, and remind you that you were a staunch believer in the Bible just a few short years ago (while most figure out it's bullshit at age 8). But I won't get into pathetic insults

And, it does look like Israel is going to announce a unilateral cease fire, but on their terms where it should be, putting the ball in Hamas' court. Rather than get entangled in a cease fire agreement that Hamas will likely violate as soon as they possibly can, the IDF will simply stop in place at an undetermined H-Hour. If Hamas stops attacking, Israel will continue, but if not, the IDF will be in place to continue its operations.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mi...ast/7835364.stm

Israel soon to unilaterally declare cease fire. No Gilad Shalit return, no effective measure to halt the smuggling of further rockets....Pretty disappointed with the final outcome - Kadima will be history in 3 weeks time.

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I watched a videoclip of the current conflict, and something really hit me. I realized that the conflict is a lot like the one which my ancestors fought in. Its not a very good analogy, but an interesting one anyway.

Back In World War II, when (Slavic countries) partisans resisted against occupation - by attacking Nazis and their infrastructure in the occupied areas, Nazis would respond with horrific retribution. For example, 100 dead Russians for one dead Nazi.

Look at Gaza. 13 dead Israelis (including military), and over 1100 Palestinian dead.

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Originally posted by CHRles No, Netanyahu is spot on with regards to reality and Iran. Krypton is the one who needs a reality check.

Great point, or wait, NO POINT...idiot...

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Originally posted by CHRles Actually it is part of Israel until Israel will decide if and when or whom to hand it over to. I'm glad the West Bank has been cut up into swiss cheese, and I'm very glad Israel built the wall around it. Makes it a lot harder for terrorists/suicide bombers to carry out their attacks that way.

No it is not, and is not recognized as such by the international community. You seem to believe in a Greater Israel huh? Funny, Hamas believes in the same thing, albeit, a Muslim land. Thanks for showing your true extremist colors. You, Likud, and Israelis who believe in a "Greater Israel" are no less radical than Hamas.

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