quote:

Originally posted by DjJade cdjs may not be much fun for what you do... but i can guarantee that it will open some doors and allow you to do things that youve never done before. i felt the same way until i saw zabiela... theres a video of him floating around i suggest you take a look and see what other things can be done so that you can have more fun.

i think i saw that. i dont think i could handle all those funktions.

___________________

haha... yea it will be a slow learning process for me. right now its about playing music and having fun as previously stated... so when i can afford more tracks, that means more fun for me

: P

___________________
J a d e dB e a t s . n e t

quote:

Originally posted by djwright i think i saw that. i dont think i could handle all those funktions.

RTFM

___________________

It is my opinion that unless you have established yourself and you have conections to the music industry you souldn't convert to digital completely.
The competition is serious nowdays and the only way you are going to have fresh music to establish your self locally is if you fork out the money and take the time to look for some promos.
By the time the tracks make it to beatport or to any p2p site (which by the way is illegal)
hard working vinyl djs who pay for their music will have moved on to the stuff cd djs
will be playing next week/month.
Digital is recomended for collecting older music that you cant find on vinyl but everybody knows that you cant base your set on older music unless you are doing a retro night :-)

Props man.

And to further re-enforce that comment, anything on line that someone is playing is no doubt going to loose it's exclusivity instantly. So much for the stand point that it "helps to break out new artist by playing digitally" because this is completely untrue.
What it does it gets lost in a mess of digital noise, usually never to be heard again from since its "online release" - pirated or otherwise.

And who cares if majors are playing off CD or digital and point to that as a reason to jump ship and flush the whole scene down hill with them, they barely spend a dime on records in the first place.

___________________
DJ Lithium
Black Tiger Recordings | NKME Ltd.
www.djlithium.com | www.blacktigerrecordings.com

see Limitation is not nesecerelly bad. If you are working and you are on a budget you will appreciate the music you will be paying for, not to mention if you pay 8 pounds plus
shipping for a promo prereleace side from a internatinal record shop,there is only so much that you can afford, and the stuff that will make it to your shopping cart will be the latest and the best.
Compare that to some kid playing shitty sounding mp3
(Yes MP3 do sound empty and shitty on your average club pa that isnt exacly the same as the one in fabric or cocoon)
he downloaded using p2p
sites and ....hes playing BIG tunes EVERYBODY... is FUCKIN s-i-c-k off.
Yeah sure he has... thousants ,but can he appreciate the music he's playing ?does he even
take the time to listen to what he is downloading or is he downloading the stuff overblown
pop star famous people put on their charts because ,not only they do not pay for the music they also pay for their jets and sportscars promoting shit to ignorent people that
actually believe that BIGSTAR DJ chart is the music the BIG STAR DJ is playing.
so there he is sitting in the bedroom filling up his harddrive with a mismatch of genres and songs.
HE lists his decks on ebay along with his ,poor in quantity but rich in quality, record collection to convert so that he will ''LOOK'' like a modern dj.
And the people who never learned to beatmatch : ABLETON LIVE (just like sasha...only sasha knows what he is doing)
they are standing there with their left hand on their mouse clicking on their graduation gift ,triggering loop after loop ,without structure,nor rhythmic sence,clashing melodies randomly patched together ...
FOR GOD SAKES NO!!!!

quote:

Originally posted by harriz see Limitation is not nesecerelly bad. If you are working and you are on a budget you will appreciate the music you will be paying for, not to mention if you pay 8 pounds plus shipping for a promo prereleace side from a internatinal record shop,there is only so much that you can afford, and the stuff that will make it to your shopping cart will be the latest and the best. Compare that to some kid playing shitty sounding mp3 (Yes MP3 do sound empty and shitty on your average club pa that isnt exacly the same as the one in fabric or cocoon) he downloaded using p2p sites and ....hes playing BIG tunes EVERYBODY... is FUCKIN s-i-c-k off. Yeah sure he has... thousants ,but can he appreciate the music he's playing ?does he even take the time to listen to what he is downloading or is he downloading the stuff overblown pop star famous people put on their charts because ,not only they do not pay for the music they also pay for their jets and sportscars promoting shit to ignorent people that actually believe that BIGSTAR DJ chart is the music the BIG STAR DJ is playing. so there he is sitting in the bedroom filling up his harddrive with a mismatch of genres and songs. HE lists his decks on ebay along with his ,poor in quantity but rich in quality, record collection to convert so that he will ''LOOK'' like a modern dj. And the people who never learned to beatmatch : ABLETON LIVE (just like sasha...only sasha knows what he is doing) they are standing there with their left hand on their mouse clicking on their graduation gift ,triggering loop after loop ,without structure,nor rhythmic sence,clashing melodies randomly patched together ... FOR GOD SAKES NO!!!!

First of All, Don't blame Sasha for Using Ableton, I bet He can play Vinyls better than you, and he have prove it, he don't need to go out and proove anyone that he can beatmatch, he can achieve that in seconds, and he use ableton for ocnetrating in live production, wich i think its not easy, and its an unique way of playing. and he odesnt stare with amouse, he have External hardware and midi controllers for producing music live, i dotn think that's easy at all.
About the new stuff, i think you are a little worng, sure there is alot of tunes that if you use cd's will come later than vinyl, maybe one month, but you are not meant to played what's been played by other dj's, if you search ther eis alot of stuff that Big superstar Dj's doesnt play, and you can still have the chance to show it to people first than everyone, if you really are into electronic music, you dotn need to copy about the big artist,

Of course if I play the charts only, There is 100 % sure that i'm goign nowhere in DJing, just coz i am a copy.
There are certain tracks that are great and are in the charts,you will want to play them, ther eis no problem in that.

Djing its not about playign the last tune, its about creating and atmosphere, environment, and birng into ajourney the listener, no matter if the tunes are new, old, whatever, I'm sure ther eis alot of music that have never been played before and its old, and you can brting it to people.

And for the Final thought, many peopel think that beatmatch its tge essence of Djing, I think you are very wrong.

Beat-}Match can be replaced by a computer, but to create A journey with the track selection, and reading crowd, it's a human ability that computers can not do, and thats the most important thing in Djing.

___________________
Here are my latest mixes:
Pepa - Pure Bliss (June 2007 Promo)
Pepa - Visual Thoughts (March 2007 Promo)
Pepa - Trippin' Again

Mash-ups:
Perasma Vs BT - Swing 2 Gravity (Pepa Live Mash-up)
I Trance You!

quote:

Originally posted by Pinokio Beat-}Match can be replaced by a computer, but to create A journey with the track selection, and reading crowd, it's a human ability that computers can not do, and thats the most important thing in Djing.

I completely agree with your last statement, well put.

It really doesnt matter what medium you choose, its the track selection that counts. Its always best to choose a medium you're most comfortable with.

___________________
-M2J

For set downloads, event details and radio schedule visit:
http://www.vitalevents.net/

About the new stuff, i think you are a little worng, sure there is alot of tunes that if you use cd's will come later than vinyl, maybe one month, but you are not meant to played what's been played by other dj's, if you search ther eis alot of stuff that Big superstar Dj's doesnt play, and you can still have the chance to show it to people first than everyone, if you really are into electronic music, you dotn need to copy about the big artist,

Of course if I play the charts only, There is 100 % sure that i'm goign nowhere in DJing, just coz i am a copy.
There are certain tracks that are great and are in the charts,you will want to play them, ther eis no problem in that.


????????????

I am sorry you are not making any sence .

cdRs are sent by labels to established djs to promote tunes long before anyone
else has them.
for the rest of the pack its hard work.
International recorshops sell pre release promos on vinyl weeks before they release the track on cd so that the aspiring ferry costen wannabee share the shit using p2p.

a producer takes weeks composing /arranging /mastering /a song in colaboration with engeneers trying to make it
sound right.
You just cant achieve that the fly trying out shit using a sound orientated videogame.
wake up people.
vinyl /cds/even the poneer djx is a foward thinking idea.
but looping shit to eternity is as dull as a fucking computer djing.

ever seen that josh wink video where the guy walks to the club to see a boombox
playing?

computers can beatmatch for you but how marketable will you be as an artist
if you let ipod do the djing?

wow!!!! everybody will be thrilled to see you selecting the tracks
on a built in sequenser. (kinda like throwing a coint into that ol juckbox)
nobody can do that!!!!

as far as beatmatching goes its really easy if you ask me.
that souldnt be a problem. that is the fun side of djing.
Doing it and getting perfect at it.
playing stuff that people have put long hours into producing not
playing producer using ableton and fuckin up everybody's friday night out.

ang guess what human djs dont crash.
computers do.

No dear harriz, your not making any sense. Who is looping shit? Jukeboxes? What the hell are you talking about?

And man, your previous post is pure conjecture...

Kids with mp3s, big star dj's and their cars, selling decks on ebay?? wtf?!?
Lovely fantasy you got going there dude. Were you high when you wrote that. Is this some new opiate driven vision? Can I have some?

Man this thread is getting better all the time...

When all logic, sense and plain speaking have failed us, only then will this debate be settled... LoL

___________________

1 if you use vinyl you have access to new music.

2 if you use cd your music is dated.

3cds are recomended for older music.


4 if you use ableton you are not really djing in terms of the person who selects
the music others are dancing to.

and finally (I hope I m not loosing you here) :

electronic production in it core is made to be programmed not played
''live'' like a guitar.
-------------------------------------------------------------
I really hope you are getting this, if your attention span is too short for this
I always like to help a stupid person out, so :
--------------------------------------------------------
pay attention now


1 vinyl /cd dvd/recorded media - GOOD (with vinyl a bit more upfront than cd still.)



2 ableton live - a very bad idea



3 djs are still mixing

because :

their skill makes them more marketable :-)
---------------------------------------------------------

see now, it wasnt so hard to understand me was it?

you just have to try a little harder but thats okay
dont feel bad :-)

Last edited by harriz on Jun-23-2005 at 08:50

See now, that is much better, atleast your not rambling about kids buying mp3s and DJ's racing cars whilst selling thier decks on ebay and shit. I mean lets face, it you were just making that stuff up cos you were high... am I right?


LMFAO!!

___________________