quote:

This isn't off topic at all in my opinion and actually this just confirms what we believe and practice. It's those other guys out there in the forum that should see this not us really, but hey, if this makes us better DJs then it's their choice if they don't want to know.

----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well,here we go....
When i saw the photos,i decide to analyze Marcus' set .The set ,from Global DJ Broadcast DL123 (02-07-2005) and the results are:
----------------------------------------------------------------------
m-minor
M-major
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Markus Schulz's Essentials

01. John Nasty & Patrick Cole - Flavour-[Am]-

02. Kosmas Epsilon - Beyond-[CM]-(its not pure CM,a bit pithed to C#M, so , in between CM and C#M ,but more CM)

03. Soldout - Maybe Tomorrow (Nova Remix)-[Dm]-

04. Perry O'Neil - Myst-[Dm]-

05. The Flash Brothers - Mirage (The Flash Brothers Dub Mix)-[Am]-

06. Junk Science - Mood Swings-[G#m]-(oops...,looks like Marcus gone out of camelot charts)

07. Locust - Aerospace (Probspot remix)-[G#m]-

08. Varian - Endless Desire-[Gm]-(oops again)

-------------- ----------------- --------------- ------

Markus Schulz (second part)


01. Kosmas Epsilon - I Trance You-[Cm]-

02. Way Out West - Fear-[Gm]-(but again ,between Gm and G#m,more to Gm)

03. Peter Martin - Simply Blue-[Em]-(dunno what Marcus was thinking about,but looks like ,he realy hate camelot)

04. Jaytech - Music 101 (The Flash Brothers Remix)-[Gm]-(oops again)(Quastion: With who you will go?
With Marcus?
,or with Camelot?)

05. Mike Foyle pres. Statica - For Your Eyes Only-[Ebm]-(yeah,Marcus will crush the Camelot)(the Marcus's progression is wrong then Camelot's)

06. Skooma - Intervention-[Am]-(............)

07. Varian - No Way Out (Lightscape Remix)-[Gm]-(oops)

08. ID-[Bm]-

09. Hammer & Bennett - Language (Santiago Nino Dub Tech Mix)-[Cm]-

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Well ,yes he use harmonical progression but in different way,not as Camelot shows us.
If he key the records ,so what hes progression will be?
The set shows: different ,looks likes its Marcus's own style(examples: when he goes from Em to Gm or from Am to Gm)and not those Camelot matematica.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
IN ALL OF THIS, I TRY TO TELL ,THAT THEIR IS NOT SPECIFIC TONIK TO DOMINANTE OR TONIK TO SUBDOMINANTE OR TONIK TO TONIK OR...(AS CAMELOT SHOWS),YEA IT EXISTS BUT IN MORE COMPLEX ,THERE ARE SPECIFIC RULES TO AMAIZIN PEOPLE THAN THOSE (CAMELOT ONES).
----------------------------------------------------------------------Ill try to make my own meaning by all kind of steps(progressions)soon as i can get more free time,but here is one of my chart.

Example: when you mix from Am to Am (from root to same root)so,you will interest the listener-kinda static fealing in the mind wich will be give more understanding of melody which flow around by basis of same root ,so...
Am to Am is not less ,to draw attention of listener for specific things in the track(it could be not the melody ,but the whole thing wich you plan atmosphere ,same lead sound ,same ... etc)
thats what makes Djs good in warm up sets
----------------------------------------------------------------------I do want dig more dipper then basis of Camelot and to get more understand of that thing(harmonical mixing) and personaly i liked Marcus's set of GDB (02-07-2005) and i guess you too.

Again thanks for attention

---------------------------------------------------------------------

i couldn't help but to notice that none of the cds, in the picture posted of marcus schulz's stuff, were listed as being in a minor key. Rather interesting since minor is believed to be used much more than major.

hey everybody,

i've noticed a lot of "can you help me key this song?" questions, and this thread has been getting very large, so i've actually created a section in the mixshare.com forums for "key that tune"... basically people can create seperate threads for each song and let the community decide.

here's a link:

[[ LINK REMOVED ]]


cheers!

quote:

Originally posted by Nemesis44 ..... It's those other guys out there in the forum that should see this not us really, but hey, if this makes us better DJs then it's their choice if they don't want to know. Cheers Nem

well said. couldn't be put better.

cheerS..

___________________
https://youtube.com/@raulleemusic

https://instagram.com/raulleemusic

quote:

Originally posted by qualia hey everybody, i've noticed a lot of "can you help me key this song?" questions, and this thread has been getting very large, so i've actually created a section in the mixshare.com forums for "key that tune"... basically people can create seperate threads for each song and let the community decide. here's a link: [[ LINK REMOVED ]] cheers!

my god! you'r certainly doing a great a job there =]
Thnx a million buddy for all this
And i gotta admit that many people are asking other people to key tracks for them which is quite annoying sometimes (even i did that once lol).
Anyways hope that this thread gets bigger with hardly any people asking for keyed tracks.
P.S: qualia, some of the tracks in ur website database are not keyed, their names are present but they arent keyed in. One more thing, could u group all trance tracks together? (i.e prog trance,hard trance,trance under one page)
Thnx

___________________
"Music is life....Trance is expression"

Hey guys,

Nice discussions going on here.

As for how Marcus lists his tracks, he may actually find it enough to just list the root note and may not need to know much else about it.

As correctly stated by Ron, there are other ways of doing it other than Camelot and I have to say that while it's good to fall back on there are better ways that have greater effect.
If you analize a guitar chord you will find a few different ways besides the norm in which you can combine notes. The same is true if you look at scales.
Although the thing to remember with scales is that whilst all the notes in the scale will all sound good with the root they may not sound good with eachother.
This is the fun part though. You have to find new ways to lift the dance floor.

Cheers
Nem

PS
Nice to see you posting DJ Prince.
For those who don't know, this guy is one of the main spokesmen of this form of DJing and although it may be unclear who was the first person ever to do it, this guy has definately been one of it's greatest supporters and one of the first to ever put pen to paper to explain it to other DJs.

___________________
https://www.mixcloud.com/Calvin_Karass/

quote:

there are other ways of doing it other than Camelot

Fraid so,

If there are real underground people here to harmonical mixing and not pop camelot,
lets start .

Do somebody saw that before.
|
|
|
V (pay more attention plz) its from "how to dj right book"

--------If you move up one step(from C to C# or B to C etc)
the new record will use completely different set of notes than the one were you just playing ,and so the change will be very dramatic.To be honest ,most Dj who key their records are interested only in this thing .This is a mixing style most closely associated with TRANCE and PROGRESSIVE HOUSE.
As Anthony Pappa explains,"Say you're playing a record in a certain key ,and it goes down to just a drums.Then if you bring in another record in the right key,when bassline comes in ,it gives an energy lift because it act like a key change."--------


This kind of thing ,that was not posted at camelot sound web site,and its intersting ,even one of the major Dj's like Anthony Pappa agree with that .So ,lets give to it chance, and put in our list of harmonical mixing tips.

more info soon(thnx).

quote:

Originally posted by RonAron303 Fraid so, If there are real underground people here to harmonical mixing and not pop camelot, lets start . Do somebody saw that before. | | | V (pay more attention plz) its from "how to dj right book" --------If you move up one step(from C to C# or B to C etc) the new record will use completely different set of notes than the one were you just playing ,and so the change will be very dramatic.To be honest ,most Dj who key their records are interested only in this thing .This is a mixing style most closely associated with TRANCE and PROGRESSIVE HOUSE. As Anthony Pappa explains,"Say you're playing a record in a certain key ,and it goes down to just a drums.Then if you bring in another record in the right key,when bassline comes in ,it gives an energy lift because it act like a key change."-------- This kind of thing ,that was not posted at camelot sound web site,and its intersting ,even one of the major Dj's like Anthony Pappa agree with that .So ,lets give to it chance, and put in our list of harmonical mixing tips. more info soon(thnx).

Hey Ron,

Not meaning to steal some of your thunder but this type of mixing gets talked about all the time in this thread (Although you are forgiven for not wanting to wade through the masses of posts ). It's just a simple key change mix, very effective, but sounds rubbish if you try and do a longer mix where you have music from both over the top. This is just a quick slam and lift type mix.

You can still get this effect other ways too and still mix harmonically which has also been covered in this thread.

A lot of old rock n' roll tracks used to use this method when they used to go for the final chorus to give a feel of added energy.

Cheers
Nem

___________________
https://www.mixcloud.com/Calvin_Karass/

quote:

Originally posted by Krowster my god! you'r certainly doing a great a job there =] Thnx a million buddy for all this And i gotta admit that many people are asking other people to key tracks for them which is quite annoying sometimes (even i did that once lol). Anyways hope that this thread gets bigger with hardly any people asking for keyed tracks. P.S: qualia, some of the tracks in ur website database are not keyed, their names are present but they arent keyed in. One more thing, could u group all trance tracks together? (i.e prog trance,hard trance,trance under one page) Thnx

thanks krowster... as far as the data you see on the server, i really only have so much control, as it's based on the data of users of rapid evolution. if a song is missing a key, it's because somebody's added it to their personal database but hasn't assigned a key yet. as far as grouping the songs correctly, that depends on the styles users define for their songs. i don't think you'd want me trying to identify the trance songs since i don't actually spin to much trance ;-) one thing i am doing however is working on the ability to edit songs directly over the web, that way if you see a mistake, or if you see a song that should be listed under trance, you can correct it immediately.

granted, i will always be looking for better ways to improve the way the server interprets all this data. for instance, right now i'm sure there are multiple names for the same styles which the server doesn't realize are the same. you should see this aspect improve soon!

Kewlies Will be waiting for more improvements on your website qualia.
I have a question for everyone around here, tho I recall it was discussed before on this very thread but in a different page.
You guys think I should use mixmeister for keying tracks?I heard from loads of people that it's keying is mostly wrong, that true by any chance?
If you guys think the program isn't as good, what do u recommend? (other than using my ears ofcourse.i do use them but not all the time)
thnx again ^-^

___________________
"Music is life....Trance is expression"

Learn some keyboard or guitar basics. Means that you save yourself a ton of aggro and you get a skill.

Nem

___________________
https://www.mixcloud.com/Calvin_Karass/