^^ and thats all you can do. cut n paste irrelevant stuff that means virtually nothing whilst ignoring the gaping holes in logic that ive already alluded to.

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I beleive that this guy did it, cause we all know the government is lying about Roswell too!! Release the Greys!!!!!

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Originally posted by dcougar99 . yeah guess your right... it was only 2 planes and some jet fuel In February 2005, The Windsor building in Madrid (pictured) burned for over 24 hours as shooting flames engulfed almost the entire structure and yet the building did not collapse. The core of the WTC was exponentially more robust than the Windsor building. So we have one building that burned incessantly for over 24 hours and did not fall, compared to two buildings which were structurally far superior, burned briefly from limited fires, and yet both collapsed within an average time of 79 minutes. yup... still standing

well now that youve done your research....... how about not being a fucking moron and compare apples to apples. windsor building is a REINFORCED CONCRETE STRUCTURE USING A COLUMN AND TWO WAY SLAB DESIGN.... concrete is very very very resistant to fire dammage, the concrete insulates the steel reinforcement

the WTC towers were STEEL FRAME CONSTRUCTION. this means that you have an exterior "skeleton" made up of large steel girders and columns, from which you "hang" reinforced concrete slabs... the difference being that the steel is exposed in the WTC and the steel is the primary load carrier. in reinforced concrete, the steel carries none of the load, it merely acts as strain resistance... a quick lesson in strucutral concrete design

Concrete is stupidly strong in compression for a non homogenus cast in place material, however it can only withstand 0.0035 mm/mm of strain or elongation if you will, once it passes this mark, the concrete hits what is known as a modulus of rupture and explodes. the steel however will hold the concrete together, it provides tensile resistance to concrete and will allow the concrete to handle a much higher load in both compression and tension (flexture) than non reinforced concrete.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN I have 3 hobbies: gaming, DJing & correcting maladjusted fools on the internet.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN Yeah, I’d like to know what horrible, scarring incident in your childhood turned you into such an ignorant, intellectual-hating philistine?

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Hmm... 1945, a B-25 bomber crashed into the Empire State building and expolded. Forteen people died and the builiding never came down. http://history1900s.about.com/od/19...empirecrash.htm EDIT: Here's another link: http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92525&page=1

while the empire state building is tall, its not that tall. the higher up you go, the more the building is affected by things like fire... lets put it this way, at the top of the WTC towers the wind blowing into the buring building turns it into the environment similar to that of an oxygen blast furnace.. drastically increasing the heat.

as for the "traces of thermate found" the only traces you are going to find is the acelrants added to the the thermite mixture, and lets face it, they arent exactly rare elements to find especially around rubble from steel and concrete.

the thermite theory is total bullshit, no amateur video footage or crack pot physist can prove otherwise. the sheer volume required is just incomprehensible.

and for the record those thermite grenades you were speaking of, the military uses them to disable field artilery, the most dammage they can muster is welding the breach shut, not melting through it, that would require too much thermite.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN I have 3 hobbies: gaming, DJing & correcting maladjusted fools on the internet.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN Yeah, I’d like to know what horrible, scarring incident in your childhood turned you into such an ignorant, intellectual-hating philistine?

colonel crisp, you are a fucking champion

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN colonel crisp, you are a fucking champion

sorry i just cant help myself when i read all the factless dribble that perversly pours onto the keyboards of these conspiracy theorists. im not an expert, but 6 years of structural engineering education and workterms does keep me on top of my game

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN I have 3 hobbies: gaming, DJing & correcting maladjusted fools on the internet.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN Yeah, I’d like to know what horrible, scarring incident in your childhood turned you into such an ignorant, intellectual-hating philistine?

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Originally posted by colonelcrisp sorry i just cant help myself when i read all the factless dribble that perversly pours onto the keyboards of these conspiracy theorists. im not an expert, but 6 years of structural engineering education and workterms does keep me on top of my game

You mean to tell me that my 4 years of university, my hatred of all things America, my paid subscriptions to infowars.com, my inability to accept the fact that a bunch of radicals hijacked planes, the fact that I have only lived on this earth less than the towers stood, the fact that I have lived off of my parents money for the past 20 years and the ability to quote Chumpsky does not make me an expert on structural engineering?? Damn it... well I guess I still have the Roswell thing going for me..




ha ha ha ha

crisp is da man

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Originally posted by LazFX You mean to tell me that my 4 years of university, my hatred of all things America, my paid subscriptions to infowars.com, my inability to accept the fact that a bunch of radicals hijacked planes, the fact that I have only lived on this earth less than the towers stood, the fact that I have lived off of my parents money for the past 20 years and the ability to quote Chumpsky does not make me an expert on structural engineering?? Damn it... well I guess I still have the Roswell thing going for me.. ha ha ha ha crisp is da man

in the words of the ragin cajun.... i have nothing to say..... that was well, perfect....

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN I have 3 hobbies: gaming, DJing & correcting maladjusted fools on the internet.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN Yeah, I’d like to know what horrible, scarring incident in your childhood turned you into such an ignorant, intellectual-hating philistine?

As in his belief of a 9/11 cover up, the Baker ignores the obvious.

OMG. This thread was never locked or died?

Scary.

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Originally posted by donnybrasco OMG. This thread was never locked or died? Scary.

NB4DALOCK ??

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN I have 3 hobbies: gaming, DJing & correcting maladjusted fools on the internet.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN Yeah, I’d like to know what horrible, scarring incident in your childhood turned you into such an ignorant, intellectual-hating philistine?

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Originally posted by colonelcrisp while the empire state building is tall, its not that tall. the higher up you go, the more the building is affected by things like fire... lets put it this way, at the top of the WTC towers the wind blowing into the buring building turns it into the environment similar to that of an oxygen blast furnace.. drastically increasing the heat.

That's a nice little theory. Unfortunately, a simple statement backed up by no evidence won't make me beleive it. And don't bother trying to find a similar example. The closest one's I can think of, was a) the B25 bomber crashing into the Empire State Building, and b) the building in Madrid that burned for over a week (or something close to that). In both cases, the structural integrity of the building were not compromised and the didn't collapse, especially in a manner that looks exactly like a controlled demolition. The tower's came down at nearly freefall speed. And the obvious implication of that is the extremely low probability (more like impossiblity) of the pancake theory.

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Originally posted by colonelcrisp as for the "traces of thermate found" the only traces you are going to find is the acelrants added to the the thermite mixture, and lets face it, they arent exactly rare elements to find especially around rubble from steel and concrete.

Yeah, it's not exactly a rare substance to find in the rubble of a controlled demolition. You care to elaborate on other probable causes as to why it would be present in samples of the support beams for the WTC? Plus the yellow hot molten steel goes hand in hand with a thermite reaction.

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Originally posted by colonelcrisp the thermite theory is total bullshit, no amateur video footage or crack pot physist can prove otherwise.

Now that a very compelling argument. Thermite with accelerants (like sulphut if I recall correcrlty?) are more than capable of melting through steel. Apparently you haven't read through the rest of this thread. Ogvh5150 posted a video from google video (or utube) which explains in simple terms and demonstrates how thermate easily cuts through steel. I find it hard to believe that you're actually debating that thermate can't cut through structural steel.

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Originally posted by colonelcrisp the sheer volume required is just incomprehensible.

Uh-huh, something that the military industrial complex and Intelligence agencies are incapable of right?

EDIT: 2 more things you might want to look into (or gloss over?):

1) The evidence was ILLEGALY removed (majroity of the steel melted and sold to China)

2) The architect and engineers of the WTC specifically designed and over engineered the structural integrity of the Twin Towers to be able to withstand multiple airline hits from a 707.

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"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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