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Originally posted by CHRles I expect you to give me better answers then that. If you want to talk about geography and densely populated areas here are some facts for ya: The number of people living in Manhattan also stands at 1.5 million (same as Gaza strip) yet it has over 70,000 people per square mile. There are 800,000 people living in San Francisco with a density of 16,000 per square mile. While Gaza City is very densely populated and small in area, its population only stands at 410,000, or the same number of people that live in the city of Miami. The rest of the strip is made up of smaller towns and villages.

Manhatten is 23 square miles. The Gaza Strip is 139 square miles. There are 4.2 MILLION people living San Fransisco's metro area. Get your facts straight before you make stupid comparisons which prove nothing......Gaza is VERY densely populated, and to argue otherwise is arguing from delinquency...

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Look at Gaza. 13 dead Israelis (including military), and over 1100 Palestinian dead.

And almost one third of the dead palestinians are children. Pretty fucked up.

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Originally posted by The17sss Did I call it or what? The blockade was to stop the smuggling of rockets and mortars into Gaza.

The blockade was initiated in response to Hamas's rightful takeover of the Gaza Strip.

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And, where's the "pathetic insult"? I'm calling it how it is: you are a Jew hater, and totally buy in to the Palestinian propoganda that they are all victims and not responsible for anything, and that anything they do is justified due to the evil bloodsucking Jew. If I was going to start with the pathetic insults, I'd get into your love of glowsticking, spinning fire, and remind you that you were a staunch believer in the Bible just a few short years ago (while most figure out it's bullshit at age 8). But I won't get into pathetic insults

I find it funny that your argument lacks such a foundation that you feel the need to resort to petty insults. Jew hater? LOL. Riiiiight...

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And, it does look like Israel is going to announce a unilateral cease fire, but on their terms where it should be, putting the ball in Hamas' court. Rather than get entangled in a cease fire agreement that Hamas will likely violate as soon as they possibly can, the IDF will simply stop in place at an undetermined H-Hour. If Hamas stops attacking, Israel will continue, but if not, the IDF will be in place to continue its operations. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mi...ast/7835364.stm

News flash, Israel also violated the cease fire. Israel has already opened a huge can of worms with this horrible operation. Don't you see this as counter-productive? Hamas should have no trouble finding new recruits......funny...but also very sad.

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Krypton, one quick question: why do you blame only Israel for the "blockade" when Egypt also closed their border with Gaza?

I mean, can't you understand that Israel don't want anything to do with Gaza, and as an Israeli citizen I want to seal the border with Gaza and never see/hear from the palestinians there again. That's it. They have Egypt that can take care of them.
Do you agree, that as a state, Israel can do that?
Good.

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Originally posted by buitre Krypton, one quick question: why do you blame only Israel for the "blockade" when Egypt also closed their border with Gaza?

Egypt's dictator Mubarak is paid off by the US (2nd highest recipient of US aide after Israel) and so they go along with whatever US-Israeli interests in the region are. If the Egyptian people had their say, Egypt wouldn't be blockading Gaza.

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I mean, can't you understand that Israel don't want anything to do with Gaza, and as an Israeli citizen I want to seal the border with Gaza and never see/hear from the palestinians there again. That's it. They have Egypt that can take care of them. Do you agree, that as a state, Israel can do that? Good.

Good? LOL. How about letting me answer your question before you answer it for me?

You don't have any choice but to deal with Gaza. Your government can try to ignore Hamas all it wants but it isn't going to go away. Once again, if your government understood that a collapsed economy, broken (actually destroyed by Israel) state institutions, lead to angry young unemployed men who have an axe to grind. Israel's blockade hasn't weakened Hamas. It's a recruitment bonanza for them. They should have no problem replacing all their lost personnel. Ironic and sad...Your government's policies are backfiring right before your very eyes.

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Originally posted by Krypton You don't have any choice but to deal with Gaza.

which is what israel is doing currently.

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Originally posted by Krypton Egypt's dictator Mubarak is paid off by the US (2nd highest recipient of US aide after Israel) and so they go along with whatever US-Israeli interests in the region are. If the Egyptian people had their say, Egypt wouldn't be blockading Gaza. Good? LOL. How about letting me answer your question before you answer it for me? You don't have any choice but to deal with Gaza. Your government can try to ignore Hamas all it wants but it isn't going to go away. Once again, if your government understood that a collapsed economy, broken (actually destroyed by Israel) state institutions, lead to angry young unemployed men who have an axe to grind. Israel's blockade hasn't weakened Hamas. It's a recruitment bonanza for them. They should have no problem replacing all their lost personnel. Ironic and sad...Your government's policies are backfiring right before your very eyes.

You see. that's exactly the point. You're making it sound like I care for them, like Israel is responsible for Gaza and its people.
Well, that's wrong.
I don't care how much Mubarak is paid (if at all - you didn't mention any sources) - Egypt is still bording Gaza and is a part of that "blockade" you talk about all the time - which makes it equally responsible, as you see it, for the situation at the moment.
And let me say it again: If Israel wants Gaza border sealed, it will be sealed. I don't f*cking care for the Gaza economy as much as I don't care for Frace's or Britain's, or lets say Jordan's economy. The fact is, when rockets are launched at me, doesn't matter the reason, I want the responsible people for those launches to meet their 70-something virgins (with the kind help of IDF) and leave me alone.

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Originally posted by Psy-T which is what israel is doing currently.

A deal is a mutual agreement. All your country is doing is bombing them into oblivion creating more hatred against you.

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Originally posted by buitre You see. that's exactly the point. You're making it sound like I care for them, like Israel is responsible for Gaza and its people. Well, that's wrong.

I could not care less how much you care for anyone.

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I don't care how much Mubarak is paid (if at all - you didn't mention any sources) - Egypt is still bording Gaza and is a part of that "blockade" you talk about all the time - which makes it equally responsible, as you see it, for the situation at the moment.

You want a source? Here's your source...http://www.usaid.gov/our_work/features/egypt/

You'r right, Egypt's corrupt dictator regime shares the blame for the Gaza concentration camp. Too bad the USA/Israel depends on dictator regimes to further their Middle East agenda.

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And let me say it again: If Israel wants Gaza border sealed, it will be sealed. I don't f*cking care for the Gaza economy as much as I don't care for Frace's or Britain's, or lets say Jordan's economy. The fact is, when rockets are launched at me, doesn't matter the reason, I want the responsible people for those launches to meet their 70-something virgins (with the kind help of IDF) and leave me alone.

You want to be left alone? HA...HA...HA...So do the Palestinians...

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Originally posted by Krypton You want to be left alone? HA...HA...HA...So do the Palestinians...

If Hamas would just stop firing rockets at Isreal, I guarantee you no Israeli will ever set foot in Gaza again.

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Originally posted by Krypton A deal is a mutual agreement. All your country is doing is bombing them into oblivion creating more hatred against you.

they attack israel, israel attacks them.. sounds mutual enough to me.

edit: p.s. haven't noticed earlier, but please don't call it "my country" or include me in the group 'israel', there are reasons i'm leaving it in a couple of weeks.

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