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Originally posted by JudgeJulez Fuzzy mate, right now I would have to disagree with you on the US' rebuilding effort in Afghanistan. Though many small projects that help in the everyday lives of people are taking place, the adminstration of the country as a whole remains in a mess. That's one reason why many Taliban leaders and vigilantes are still running around, and that is where the real nation building has to take place. The US budget for aid is also constantly dwindling, and Hamid Karzai(who more resembles now 'the governor of Kabul' than the President of Afghanistan) even had to come to DC a month ago to plead for the US not 'to forget' their role in that country's rebuilding.

So true, and I see the samething for Iraq, though there's lot more money that will come out from Iraq so I don't know.

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Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0 Well, as for clubs, there is a proposed RAVE act...

Which isn't gonna get passed! Do you really think that wolfowitz, rumsfeld, and whoever are siting around worrying about RAVES and passing laws as trivial (in the grand scheme of things) as that??? Well I can play the blame game too ... damn rumsfeld and wolfowitz, I got 2 Flat tires this past weekend because they were trying to impose their NEOCONSERVATIVE doctrine on my goddamn liberal tires. Why won't they leave me in peace!!!

I think people have a misconception of how things are done in the US. People believe that every law that gets passed is thought up and goes through the president. The fact is is that there are over 500 legislators that can propose and pass laws ...

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Vesa ... you know my views on this whole neo-conservative movement so I'm not going to comment much. I just don't see the link between like republican thinking, and an all pervasive movment that is controlling the US. I just want to point out that I didn't make that last statement that you quoted.

Republicans in Florida don't want to give scholarships to any student that comes from terrorists countries ( Iraq, Iran, Siria etc .. ). And this is a law that is been looked into the REPUBLICAN owned house of reps. of Florida. The claim was that why should taxpayers in Florida pay for this kidds coming from those countries?!?!(Ofcourse they are US citizens) .. Bush said clearly that it's not against the people but the regime, yet, the Republicans in Florida are all over this issue.. it's an idea of how this republicans can get, neonconservatives minds..

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I think u overestimate the "Likud" power and its connection to the american neoconservative/christian fundamentalists. It shall be noted that the overwhleming majority of American Jews votes for and actively supports the Democrats as much as their Israeli "counterpart", the Labour Party.

But since this whole Neoconservative issue fascinates me, I'd like you to read a bit about Straussianism, supposedely the philosophy behind the neo-conservative movement.

http://home.earthlink.net/~karljahn/Strauss.htm

http://www.straussian.net/

edit: in the second link, under "teachers" ull find our dear friend wolfowitz, as well as Francis Fukuyama and others of the neoc. gang. They do have some brains u should know.

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Interesting reading.

But regarding to other posts:
Maybe you ppl should ask ppl of Czechoslovakia, Romania, and other ex-soviet countries what it's like living as they did under Stalin. Shit they were supporting the war against Iraq. Nobody knows the situation better than they do.

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this site is interesting:
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/tri...s/s_128200.html

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Originally posted by Cracka-X Interesting reading. But regarding to other posts: Maybe you ppl should ask ppl of Czechoslovakia, Romania, and other ex-soviet countries what it's like living as they did under Stalin. Shit they were supporting the war against Iraq. Nobody knows the situation better than they do.

Well, if you ask the people there, you might not get the answer you expect, because regardless of the fact their governments sided up with the US, the majority of the population was against the Iraqi war.

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why do I get the sense that people on this board think the war is over when in fact its far from it. There's still 10 divisions of iraqi army around tikrit and mossoul.

I can understand that bringing down a statue is very symbolic, but its not over yet. Even some parts of Baghdad are still under Iraqi control.

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