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JohnSmith
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Registered: Apr 2002
Location: Kamloops

quote:
Originally posted by Kid Lax
i used to have this problem
i'd be able to beatmatch them fine, but the track i would be cueing up would always be a bit slower than the live track (or it might have been a bit faster...i don't remember)

regardless its all about practice
i used to use the excuse of it being my shitty amp
but then i got better and better and realized it was just my skill level

and about being able to cue both tracks in the headphones in all mixers...you're probably right about this
but have you ever played in a loud club and tried to have both tracks playing in the headphones without a cue pan? its nearly impossible
try cranking your headphone levels up to about 80% and having 2 tracks cued in the headphones without a cue pan...and you'll see what i mean

its even hard to use the cue pan in a loud environment...depending on how loud it is, it sometimes just sounds like racket and you have to concentrate for a few seconds to try and distinguise the different sounds

i find that i spin 100% better using one headphone strictly the cued track...and the other the master from the monitor...and then when im mixing i take the one ear off and go strictly by the monitor...you gotta hear what the crowd is hearing
you have to realize that the sound coming out of the speakers isn't the same as coming out of your headphones...the levels can be completely different based on what headphones you use and then you have to take the amp into consideration and what settings they have...and then the type of speakers, amount of bins/highs, etc. etc.

spinning in your headphones is a gamble when playing live imho


well, i guess it is personal preference. personally, i have NEVER needed to go above 50% on my headphone volume, and that is with my amp set at 50% as well. at this volume, my neighbours across the street can hear it, with all my doors and windows closed. pictures are falling off my walls, and my cat has applied for refuge status!

OK, i'm joking about the cat, but seriously, i have knocked pictures off the wall with my stereo.

i'm not sure how many watts my speakers or amp are, i bought them second hand, but i think the speakers are at least 200W RMS

the way i have it set up, i can just manipulate the gain on the cued track to get it louder. i simply turn the headphone volume down, and turn the gain on the cued track up. this has the exact effect of having a cue pan. just have to remember to put it back down!

but, i do agree about hearing what the crowd hears. i get it matched up, and then before i throw the track in, i take the cans off to hear what they are hearing.

as for mixing in a club, i suppose you are right, it is louder, but i think it comes down to the amount of isolation you have in your cans. I recently bought some sennheissers with -32db of attenuation, and i am confident these will do me well in any club. right now, i use some radio shack ones (that honestly, whoop ass on the senns for sound quality) but the senns are great for blocking out noise. I cut my lawn with these on, and can hardly tell if the lawnmower is on!


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JohnSmith
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Registered: Apr 2002
Location: Kamloops

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Originally posted by JohnSmith
my ear can't compensate for the difference in time from the speakers to my ear i guess, even though my speakers are only about 6 feet away.

hmm..

does the math:
sound travels 1,087 feet per second.
it takes 0.00552 seconds for sound to travel 6 feet to my ears.
a standard 140BPM track has about beat every 0.43 seconds
it seemed to me to be off half a beat, so 0.215 off, but it really should only have been 0.00552 off.



I just thought of something else. this is also not taking into account the time it takes for the signal to get out of my mixer, down the RCAs to my stereo, be processed there, and get sent to my speakers. on my small system, this is probabably not long, but in a club, especially with a lot of processing such as EQs, limiters, etc, and long speaker runs, i can see this difference being considerable.

so imo, beatmatching using cued in the cans, and live on the speakers is simply inferior.

but, it is personal preference i suppose.


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