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Originally posted by webmeister I thought the special effects were outstanding, that whole Neo vs 100 Agent Smiths thing was like the natural evolution of bullet-time. If you're complaining about the CGI in that scene, bear in mind that the ENTIRE scene is computer generated. Yes, the whole thing. The agents, Neo, the pole, the background, the birds, the seats, everything. The whole damn scene was CGI. OK at times it was slightly noticeable (because I knew this in advance and was looking for it), but go back and watch it again with this in mind. Think of other CGI like Toy Story or Final Fantasy, then compare it to that scene. Not really any comparison, is it?

yeah but toy story and shrek are all cgi films... matrix is 'real'..it stands out a lot more and i think it detracts from it a bit, because of course it looks cool but then you think 'well duh its all computer'. i honestly felt it wasn't as good because i was looking at a computer generated character in one scene then keanu reeves in another.

i thought the fights were good, even though i was let down by the some of the close up cgi the way they all moved and jumped and dodged and got hit and everything was awesome!!!!!

jolz jumped out of her seat when rob dougan was on hehehe

the track in the "unnecessary rave scene" is 'fluke - xion' and props to juno reactor!! w00t! i noticed a bit of "tree hugger" music as jolz puts it hehe

and pffft @ the architect, nobody goes to a movie to pay attention HJ, and nobody goes to see some old guy blab on for 20 mins on how he made the matrix either!!
personally that all went over my head but i will watch it again sometime to get a better idea hehe. i would have liked a bit more gun action even though i loved the martial arts fighting

and someone already gave their thoughts on the dance scene so i won't need to repeat them

overall i thought it was a good movie but i really think i will need to see it again.

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I'm amazed that the majority of you people aren't reviewing the brilliant plot, only the action scenes. What an insult to the movie... it's just so much more than that people.

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Originally posted by Rememberence_ I'm amazed that the majority of you people aren't reviewing the brilliant plot, only the action scenes. What an insult to the movie... it's just so much more than that people.

I stayed away from talking about the plot, simply because I don't want to ruin it for anyone who may stumble through here without seeing the film

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I just saw it last night, and glanced over this thread now, so ill probably say stuff thats already been said, here it goes

woah

Matrix 2 was really good, i havent seen a move this good in ages. It was approximately 1354.69 times better than the watered down for popcorn eaters first movie. Instead of subtly going into the philosphy of the matrix they decided that everyone was going to be hit in the face with it. Good decision i think.

That scene with the architect, i think i heard half the audiences heads explode, before they took another hand full of popcorn. That was a great scene.

Some stuff was a bit taccy, neo saving trinity by fishing the bullet out? That rave scene was retarded. It looked like the latest nelly video, and went on for way too long. Morpheus's speech before it sucked the big one too. If he is at least going to have a speech make it a decent one? The sex scenes and the continual neo and trinity sitting in a tree K-I-S-S-I-N-G themes for the first half of the movie were way overplayed. Get over it.

Does anyone have any theories on the ending?

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Personally im thinking that Zion is another matrix designed to be a real world for people who choose not to accept the matrix, hence neos powers when he kills those sentinels. When zion finds that .1% anomally (which is actually pretty high, 1 out of 1000 people is the one?) they choose to rebuild zion starting the process all over again of finding the next one.

When neos goes into a coma at the end i think that could be him ascending into the real world. But if it is, then why is agent smith in the real world too. Or they could both just be in a coma because they got emped.


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Anyway, great movie, i thoroughly enjoyed it.

edit: ill read and discuss rems post later.

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Originally posted by escee Personally im thinking that Zion is another matrix designed to be a real world for people who choose not to accept the matrix, hence neos powers when he kills those sentinels. When zion finds that .1% anomally (which is actually pretty high, 1 out of 1000 people is the one?) they choose to rebuild zion starting the process all over again of finding the next one. When neos goes into a coma at the end i think that could be him ascending into the real world. But if it is, then why is agent smith in the real world too. Or they could both just be in a coma because they got emped.

Nice post esky, except I don't agree with you on the things you think wre tacky etc. Your idea on zion being another matrix etc is great, I hadn't considered that yet! Must see it again.

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I loved it

I think u guys who don't understand need to watch the first movie, then realise whats happenening, then go & see the 2nd movie. It seems difficult to comprehend at first, but like most things you just need to get your head around it.

I think too much emphasis in today's cinema is on action with 0 intellectual points for plot. Finally a movie that has a balance. But it would seem that its too late. Hollywood has brainwashed its audiences into being only able to interpret a punch, rather than an indepth philisophical discussion about purpose.

I love the matrix, the whole concept, its so far-fetched, yet so close to home. Its crazy, yet tragically real (if there is such a thing) Its refreshing for me to find a movie thats intellectually challenging yet still fucking entertaining. The fight scenes are fuckin huge. The one with the replicating agent smith was a bit cheap I have to admit. But I ask somoene to do what they're trying to do with today's technology.

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also: with reference to people saying the 'rave' scene was pointless, I disagree. If the reality of Zion is in-fact 'real' life, and not a matrix within a matrix, then its quite significant. I think the sequence identifies the human struggle, and just the drenching of natural physical bondage between woman and man, it just identifies with the natural struggle of survival. The fact that its a 'rave' is a connection with our tribal/instinctive natural state. Its all a metaphor for saying that our basic survival instincts are not with material things (ie guns, weapons, MACHINES), but with the maniphestation of our individual selves to rise up & survive in our natural form.

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I think the fact that the people of zion live under the earths surface, are constantly strugggling, and when neo shows up they treat him like a religous figure and ask him to protect them and their childs personifies the struggle to live enough.

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Its all a metaphor for saying that our basic survival instincts are not with material things (ie guns, weapons, MACHINES), but with the maniphestation of our individual selves to rise up & survive in our natural form.

If that were the case, why include the scene with the council member on the engineering deck? That essentially said that the people of zion were dependant on machines to recycle their air and water and to provide heat.

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Shit slade said in his first post about todays cinema

I totally agree with that. The last movie that did it well was fight club i think. Which was entertaining enough, had lots of punches, and also challenged peoples views on consumerism, capitalism and self worth. Then some movies just try too hard to be intellectual, Mullholland Drive is a perfect example, besides the lesbian scenes i didnt get much entertainment out of that.

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Rems shit here

I think the fact that neo and trinity were holding hands for the first half of the movie and making goo goo eyes at each other was obvious enough that they had a relationship. As well neos dreams and how much they affected him. The Line "Ive never letting go of this blah blah blah" sounded like it came out of a trashy danielle steel book or something.

news just in: philby agrees with bedrock!

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hmmm interesting movie
i wasnt really blown away at first but looking back its a really good movie
the fight scenes were awesome and you shouldnt complain about the cgi stuff cause think how far its come over the past couple years. all i can say is wow.
loved how he strikes a pose before supermaning it off

about the plot
i got confused at the end cause here i was thinking that when they left the matrix and went into the "real" world, neo goes and kills those sentinals which brought up the idea of there being many layers of the matrix. someone suggested that everytime the one was discovered, they would get better, but so would the matrix and there was this continual growth of both sides. all speculation but i cant wait till november

gonna check it out 2nite... better be as good as the first one or those wakowski brothers (however you spell it) are gettin a slappin!! hahaha