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Orbax
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Registered: Apr 2002
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quote:
Originally posted by Orbax
America could be better, anyone who says its bad can tongue my butthole, and you can quote me on that. thats pretty much all I have to say about moore.


*ahem* was drunk.

Cheers

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occrider
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quote:
Originally posted by Orbax
*ahem* was drunk.

Cheers


eh ... still holds true


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JohnSmith
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Registered: Apr 2002
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quote:
Originally posted by davinox
oh lighten up, your head is always up your ass with everything somewhat political.


as opposed to you, where political or not, you manage to acheive this.


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TuanAnh213
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Registered: Dec 2002
Location: Bay Area, CA...Cheah!!

quote:
Originally posted by JohnSmith
congratulations you have just qualified yourself as only the second person i need to use the ignore option for(the other being tiesto14)

you have a right to your opinion, but calling someone a fat ****** just shows your imaturity and unworthiness of having a legitmate discussion with.



oh cry me a river you fucking hippie


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JohnSmith
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whassat? can't hear you, speak up!


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blazed it
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Registered: Oct 2001
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quote:
Originally posted by TuanAnh213
oh cry me a river you fucking hippie





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Are you that brainwashed? Conservative Talk Radio is "attacked" by the Fairness Doctrine because it is nothing but lies and half truths and if they presented a honest representation of current events they would have no problems at all with the Fairness Doctrine. I say thank God we have it.

In a free society with freedom of the Press the media should have an adversarial role towards the government and its policies. The media should have questioned our military action in Iraq. The media should be critical of the Presidents tax plan. The media should be critical of the Presidents conservation policies. The media should be critical of the Presidents foreign policy.

If the media is nothing more than a cheerleader for the President then we no longer live in a free and open society.

As far as the myth of the liberal media goes I say What Liberal Media?

The Princeton Survey Research Associates released a report in November, 2000 for the "Project for Excellence in Journalism" documenting a news media biasagainst Democrat Al Gore. They reviewed 1,149 national stories from newspapersand television. The study found that the news media reported 24% positive stories for Bush, while only 13% positive stories for Gore. Similarly, news organizations reported 12% negative stories on Gore, and only 8% negative stories on Bush.

A 1996 Nexis search of sources used by major newspapers and broadcasters, show that 7,776 media citations were used from conservative think tanks (Heritage Foundation topping the list); 4,665 from centrist think tanks; and 1,837 from liberal think tanks. That means the news media used sources from conservatives 54% of the time, centrists 33%, and liberals 13%.

While the press has been unrelenting on a private sex scandal involving
Democratic President Bill Clinton, it was much less interested in covering the constitutional scandal that enveloped Republican President George Bush with Iran/Contra. A Nexis search of news stories from the New York Times, Washington Post, Time Magazine and Newsweek Magazine, shows that in one month, at the height of the Iran Contra scandal, 653 news stories were written about he scandal. Compare that to 995 stories written about the Clinton/Lewinsky affair at its height in one month.

KABC, an ABC affiliate in Los Angeles refused to air any anti-war protest stories during the Gulf war. This from staffers inside the station.

ABC's 20/20 program has never run a story critical of nuclear power. Come to find out, the show's producer Victor Neufeld's wife works for the nuclear industry.

Of all the guests on ABC's Nightline in an average year, only 6 % have
represented public interest groups, labor or racial/ethnic minorities. Only 13% were women.

Rupert Murdoch, an ultra right wing activist, (he initially offered Newt Gingrich a multimillion dollar book deal thru his Harper Collins publishing firm), owns the entire Fox media conglomerate, the Fox television network and Fox news channel. He also owns the New York Post and TV Guide magazine.

ABC's David Brinkley had to apologize for making insulting remarks about President Clinton on the air during the 1996 election. He now is a spokesman for a multimillion dollar corporation.

John Stossel, known for his ultra-rightwing pro-corporate views, is a regular reporter for ABC news.

CBS canned a 60 minutes story on tobacco company lies because of pressure from upper management.

NBC has squelched stories about boycotts of General Electric, its parent company.

CNN has no one as far to the Left as Pat Buchanan is to the right, on its nightly political show Crossfire.

NBC's reporter Pete Williams is a former Bush administration official.

CBS's and ABC's Diane Sawyer was a Nixon administration insider before landing a job covering the news.

Britt Hume of Fox News is a known conservative ideologue who used to play tennis with George Bush.

PBS has many shows dedicated to covering corporate America - Nightly Business Report, Adam Smith's Money World, Tony Brown's Journal, Wall Street Week, etc., but no shows dedicated to covering consumers or labor. PBS's longest running show is Firing Line hosted by ultra conservative William F. Buckley, the editor of the conservative National Review Magazine. Other shows hosted by conservatives regularly are: One on One , The McLaughlin Group and American Interests. Additionally, PBS has added a show that is based on
holier-than-thou conservative William Bennett's book "The Book of Virtues." (now we of course all know that William Bennett is nothing more than a hypocrite)

Talk radio is hosted almost exclusively by conservative talk show hosts, headed by Rush Limbaugh, Ollie North, Larry Elder, Michael Reagan and G. Gordon Liddy.

Former Republican presidential candidate and religious right leader, Pat Robertson, owns the Christian Broadcasting Network which airs nationwide. He also owns the Family Channel and a radio news service called Standard News.

The Washington Times was founded by ultra right wing extremist Sun Myung Moon, known for his controversial Unification Church.

Fox News is run by a former Reagan aid. It is known to have some of the most blatantly Conservative news bias in the business.

The Wall Street Journal employs some of the biggest liberal bashers in the country.

If you would like I can provide another litany of examples of the conservative bias in the media.

There has not been a single independent study showing any liberal bias what so ever in the mainstream media. In fact every independent study actually found the opposite with conservatives and their viewpoints getting more air time than liberals.

Somewhere in there you can add that Murdock who owns FOX just recently purchased DirectTV. Assuming it will pass the FCC (it will since it's head up by Bush's bitch, errr Colin Powell's son - Michael), he'll be able to control what another 100 million+ viewers watch on TV. And considering that the rules on media will soon be relaxed thanks to Michael Powell, we'll get to watch and listen to as much corporate-sponsored, conservative-controlled media as we could have possibly wish for!




what book did you get this from? or is it a collection?


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TuanAnh213
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quote:
Originally posted by JohnSmith
whassat? can't hear you, speak up!



oh shit..what a fucking great come back...you got me there


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Originally posted by MisterOpus1
This is exactly how I feel. Couldn't have said it better. He has some incredibly interesting and shocking points to be made, but yet the way he makes these points truly reveals his weaknesses in his arguments. Instead of touting himself to be such an incredibly left-winged radical liberal, he should make a much better attempt to approach his audience with a more central or unbiased approach. Though that's somewhat difficult in these times - anyone who disagrees with Bush's policies are branded as "unAmerican", or "unpatriotic".

What I have appreciated from Moore's website is the links to other websites that shed a little more light on the way our government ticks, as well as our conservative-controlled media (which is a complete joke of coverage). It's nice to read both sides of issues. Before coming onto Moore's website I was reading O'Reilly's "No Spin Zone" and Goldberg's "Bias". Now I'm currently reading Greg Palast's "The Best Democracy Money Can Buy", and Alterman's "What Liberal Media?". Some pretty interesting sh$t. I will continue to read from both sides of the aisle, but from my standpoint I'm beginning to shift a little more towards the left. I feel sorry for the ignorant who choose not to see both sides of the story and decide for themselves, but rather be pursuaded by the government and/or media make decisions for them.




glad to see someone agrees with me

where did you get that article you quoted?

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MisterOpus1
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Registered: Dec 2001
Location: Kansas City

quote:
Originally posted by montie
glad to see someone agrees with me

where did you get that article you quoted?


I actually got it from another local forum in a political argument thread. I believe it comes from the book, "What Liberal Media? The Truth About Bias and the News", by Eric Alterman. I have the book at home and haven't opened it up yet. I'll check after work to see, but I'm pretty sure this is the source. From what I've read on it's reviews, it's more or less a rebuttal to Ann Coulter's "Slander" and Bernard Goldberg's "Bias" - two Neo-Conservatives who view the media being extremely liberal. From what I gather, Alterman brings up some very interesting points, but also reveals his particular ultra-liberal bias in his arguments.


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