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Originally posted by occrider I'm not too familiar with the IRA's goals and objectives but coming from Ireland, you probably dislike the British occupation right? If the British offer to negotiate a withdrawal once they can be assured no more IRA attacks occurr isn't that worth a pause in the fighting? Now lets say one wing of the IRA wants to kill and remove ALL brits from Ireland and vows to continue attacks. Wouldn't you say that it is in the best interests of Sinn Fein and all Irishmen to put a stop to this rogue groups actions? Granted I don't know the ins and outs of the entire situation but hopefully I've conveyed my point.

The traditional goal of Irish Republicans is for a British declaration of intent to withdraw from Ireland. Until that happens there will be groups willing to fight, which is fair enough in my opinion, ad they'll always have my support to carry on until it happens. The British occupation of Ireland isn't legitimate, therefore all Irish people have the right to physically resist. I see nothing wrong in attacking members of the occupation forces. And so long as Britain rules here carrying out any such actions will be legitimate. The likes of Gerry Adams and Provisional Sinn Fein have settled for so much less, resulting only to prolong foreign rule.
Like yourself and Ireland I can't claim to know the ins and outs of the palestinian situation, just my opinions are just from observation.

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Originally posted by Cyrus King Bit we also must look at the irresponsibility of the Israeli government of helicopter bombing a crowded residential neighborhood in the likes of killing a hamas leader. Why is it irresponsible on the Isreali govt's behalf? Well this is how i see it. Targeting a Hamas and knowing that they would strike in retaliatory vengence during peace negotiations with Abbas has completely changed the political climate of the negotiations, creating more tension between both sides. Abbas on one hand cannot control Hamas, yet Sharon can control his military decisions. KNowing there would be vengence by hamas for trying to kill their leader as well as killing other innocent bystanders will obviously fuel the cycle of hatred.

Most of us on the board seem to agree that this attack came too quickly for it to be a retaliation.
I haven't decided whether I find the assasinatino attempt a well-made decission, but it was a legitimate one. Hamas have declared that peace is not a word included in their dictionary. Who knows, maybe the Israel Security Service has gained enough information to assume that Hamas activity will be increased...

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Originally posted by donegalredneck but how can you consider a Palestinian attack on Israeli military as a terrorist attack, and an Israeli attack on Palestinians as a legitmate military attack?

If only the targets were military... Terror is when they kill defenseless civillians in the masses.

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http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS...east/index.html

heh, well this would be a good idea... however, I dont think the U.S. should be part of this international force either. since we are seen as Israel's biggest supporter, i dont think the palestinians would be appreciate our involvement.

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Originally posted by oDrori If only the targets were military... Terror is when they kill defenseless civillians in the masses.

Initially, The palestinians did attack the Israeli military...remmember a week and a half ago? and then the Isrealis retaliated by attacking the Hammas leader. from which the Hammas leader received few scratches and innocent civilians ended up getting killed.

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Originally posted by biodigit Initially, The palestinians did attack the Israeli military...remmember a week and a half ago? and then the Isrealis retaliated by attacking the Hammas leader. from which the Hammas leader received few scratches and innocent civilians ended up getting killed.

However, the subsequent Jerusalem bus bombing occurred too soon following the Israeli helicopter attack for it to be a response to that strike.

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Originally posted by occrider However, the subsequent Jerusalem bus bombing occurred too soon following the Israeli helicopter attack for it to be a response to that strike.

Amazing how well you understood the logic of the Middle East
Listen to this man.

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Yet Israel has publicly announced that they will continue to attack hamas regardless of what the circumstances are.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/fc?cid=...ideast_Conflict

So in a way... both seem to be fueling the violence. I repeat this again.

If Israel were to reduce the amount of incursions on Palestinian land, less enemies will be formed. Also, this would reduce the amount of "vengence" produced as a result of innocent life lost which would therefore reduce the amount of young people willing to blow themselves up. If this saves even ONE life on either the Israeli or palestinian side, i think its the way to go.

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Yes, but can't you day the same for the Palestinians?

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No.. becuase Abbas does not have control over Hamas

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Look, the simple truth is that whether or not Abbas has control over Hamas, they HAVE to stop the terrorism. Now, they'll say that they will stop as soon as Israel gives them land. But, I believe that Hamas will not stop then. Hamas will continue to wreak havoc all over the Middle East. In the future, who knows where they will end up.

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In my honest opinion, I think the U.S. will at some point intervene. According to some article I read last weekend, "cease-fire is not part of Hamas' vocabulary." They will keep fighting regardless whether they get land or not, and I think the U.S. may have to send the military in.

Hamas will not stop until Israel is eliminated--they've been pretty clear about that. I'm sure Israel will stop their counterattacks when Hamas stops the senseless agression and unmitigated violence. Abbas needs to get some control or Arafat needs to be taken out. Hamas must realize that they'll never have their own nation if the continue their idiot tactics. Haven't they realized that every time they've tried to take on the Israeli military they've gotten their asses kicked?