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Originally posted by ThaDevil Like I said before, PES was alot better then the previous Fifa's, but Fifa 2004 is by far alot better then PES, PES looks like a silly budget games vs Fifa 2004,

Yawn....
Oh look, pierluigi collina endorsed pro evolution 3, why dont u go and buy it!?
Shallow isnt the word for u.

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Fifa 2004 is alot more realistic,

lol

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got alot more moves then PES will ever have,

lol

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it has better AI,

looooooool

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alot better gameplay

loooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

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and not to mention realistic graphics, unlike PES.

looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
Pes actually has better graphics, at least where it matters. The grass in pro evolution 2 and 3 is FAR superior to even fifa 2004. And in pro evolution the players dont look like cartoon characters (far too colourful etc), as they do in fifa. The lighting in fifa is awful. The players r lit much differently than the grass, it doesnt look like the players and the (low res) grass r in the same place.

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Fifa 2004 is by far the best soccer game to ever come out, PES got nothing on it.

U REALLY havnt a clue

You must be the most ignorant person Ive ever met, your obviously are clueless, so why dont you take Konamis dick outta your ass ??
Face it PES is history, Fifa is THE soccer game.

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Last edited by ThaDevil on Oct-18-2003 at 06:17

Look at this picture, the damn players make EXACT same movments, how gay is that, look how hedious the graphics are.


Compared to this (not my pic, just random one online)



Now please, be smart and stfu, your obvisouly dont know what you are talking about.

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Originally posted by razmataz Always wanted a Fifa vs Pes discussion - not that there really is an argument. Pro Evolution Soccer (which is also known as Winning Eleven in Japan) is hands down the best soccer series out there. There is no comparison - it is miles ahead of the competition. It beats Fifa in every department and about the only thing EA had going for it was the authentic names. All cash, but no flash if you ask me.

Exactly.

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Its simple really. If you play soccer/football regularly on organised semi professional teams then you will like PES better. If you are a casual supporter/couch potato with little ball skills , the wham-bam action of Fifa will appeal to you.

Not necessarily. I play football daily, but i know a lot of people who dont, who just have an understanding of the game, can see how much better the pro evolution series is.

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And someone here just mentioned how they won on pro mode in their first game 5-4. That just proves my point. Winning your first game on hard mode in PES is unheard of - let alone with that scoreline.

Yeah, its very hard to break down defences especially in pro evolution 3, even on 3 star difficulty. U HAVE to pass a lot and get ur tactics right, it really needs a full team effort to win.

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The only reason why Fifa 2004 may be good (I have yet to try it but I heard how Fifa 2003 "owned" when it first came out) is because EA is trying to make it more like Konami's games. Face it. Everything that EA claimed was "evolutionary" in Fifa 2003 was already done by Konami ages ago. And you can't really credit EA for any piece of ingenuity. After Fifa 97, 98, WC 98, 99, 2000, Euro 2000, 2001, 2002, WC 2002, 2003 (10 games!!!) they are finally STEPPING in the right direction.

Yep. Remember iss 98? Thats when konami really started getting things together. Since that game game out, konami have been on top. In fact, not a single fifa game is better than iss 98 yet.

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And this is coming from a previous die hard Fifa fan who got disgruntled at EA after Fifa 99.

I used to like fifa too, untill iss 1 came out and u had much more control over the games.

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Fifa 96 was a classic - everything after that went downhill. EA sports can keep it "in the game" but when PES comes out on the PC this Novemeber I know where my money is going.

Its already out mate, i bought it today, well yesterday (friday). Thats when it came out.
I love it. Its harder than pes 2, getting through the back line is very, very difficult usually.
The ai has improved, for example defenders positioning themselves better, and players closing u down quicker and people sticking out legs to intercept passes more etc. Also, when playing teams like real madrid, brazil, valencia etc u will see some excellent 1 touch stuff coming from them more often which can be very hard to defend against.
The animations have improved and look very 'natural' and realistic most of the time. Unfortunately imo the grass in about half the stadiums doesnt look quite as realistic as in pes2, where it looked more or less real. Also most of the players look a bit too well built, but this is minor stuff really.
The training is even better than pro evolution 2. I havnt played all the training exercises yet but so far the free kick training in particular is amazing, and u can make ur own dribbling courses.
I think the game has slowed down about 5-10%, and its just about right now, altho it took me about half an hour to get used to.
Long shots r now hit harder and more direct than pes2, theres more tricks u can do when dribbling, to do a manual pass u hold the right analogue stick in the direction and then hold r3 for power, u now can hold r1 or r2 to add to the effect of holding up or down in free kicks, most of the top italian teams (not inter) have given permission to use their real names and kits etc
Too many new things to mention but this is definitely a 10/10 game and is a true simulation of football. I honestly cant see fifa 2004 or even 2010 coming close. U should buy it as soon as possible.

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Oh yeah, the commentary is MUCH better now, waaaay less repetitive.

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Originally posted by ThaDevil Look at this picture, the damn players make EXACT same movments, how gay is that, look how hedious the graphics are. Compared to this (not my pic, just random one online) Now please, be smart and stfu, your obvisouly dont know what you are talking about.

Again, shallow isnt the word. Look at the players graphics on fifa. Theyre far too colourful and dont look like theyre under the same light the pitch is, their heads r too big and they look like cartoons.
Anyway, if u had a clue about football ud know that gameplay is all that matters.

Last edited by DJ-Fuq on Oct-18-2003 at 08:19

Ok, now that we concluded that your are color blind, Ill leave that at that.
Gameplay wise, Fifa 2004 kills PES 3, both games are not in the same league, PES 3 is a cartoon soccer game that reminds me Fifa 94, while Fifa 2004 is the best stimulation soccer experience ever.

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Originally posted by ThaDevil Ok, now that we concluded that your are color blind, Ill leave that at that. Gameplay wise, Fifa 2004 kills PES 3, both games are not in the same league, PES 3 is a cartoon soccer game that reminds me Fifa 94, while Fifa 2004 is the best stimulation soccer experience ever.

Ur just showing how stupid u r.

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Originally posted by DJ-Fuq Ur just showing how stupid u r.

No one is as stupid as you are, and you proved it a few times already.
See you change the "subject" into personal insulting because you know you've been owned and you have nothing else to say, so please stfu, Im done replying to you.

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Originally posted by ThaDevil No one is as stupid as you are, and you proved it a few times already. See you change the "subject" into personal insulting because you know you've been owned and you have nothing else to say, so please stfu, Im done replying to you.

Bollocks. U started the insulting when u called me clueless. I was trying to discuss it properly, i asked u to point out specific things that were bad about pes, but u couldnt, except the names.
As always, pro evolution = gran turismo, fifa = mario kart.

PES = $10.50 budget cartoon
Fifa = leading soccer game in the gaming industry

I'm not even gonna look in this thread again (not worth my time), I understand that you like to be fucked by Konami so be it, you can talk to yourself, dumbass.

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is it possible for you, ThaDevil, to not get so riled up over such a petty debate?

Winning Eleven 7 is the best soccer game out rite now regardless of platforms.

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