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Originally posted by Metabeing In europe people know how to control themselves at the parties with alcohol it seems. Meta

I wouldn't say that, you get exactly the same all over the world. But I agree about the crime and other aspects of large US cities. Look at the problems they had in Newcastle for the UK parade this year, and although Newcastles pretty big by our standards it's nothing compared to other cities. Can you imagine trying to shut off large areas of New York or Chicago for a whole weekend? It just wouldn't happen.

I don't buy the response that U.S cities are to big for one second. I'm originally for New Orleans, every year we put on Mardi Gras for weeks, streets, stores etc. shut down completely. New York has the Gay Pride Festival which parades through N.Y. ending up in a huge street party, Miami host the Winter Music Conference. Big cities have absolutly NO problems handeling large scale events. The dance music culture is just not taken seriously in the States, for the reasons I posted in my previous reply. And until it is events will not happen on a national level.

Not to mention if a Love Parade was to happen, lets say in New York, how many people, outside the immediate driving area would actually attend, if your coming from San Fran, take a look at your expenses, at least $600 for a flight, hotel in Manhattan $180-upwards, not to mention spending money, lets face the Dance culture in America is manily 19-26 year olds, most of which could not afford the expense of a trip like that.

trintiy, you are right with your point, but look at mardi gras. It is an event that dates back for quite some time. And takes place in a city that relies heavily on the fact that it is a party city. If anywhere in the us, an big event would work there.

Second the Gay pride and million man (black pride) marches are things that have government funding and are protected by equal rights and free speech laws. A big party isnt going to be funded, or approved, by George Bush Jr. Mr. Conservative himself. Look at our hippie type bands and their following, like Phish or Grateful Dead, both now gone. Their event were loathed by cops and hundreds on police walked the grounds looking for sellers and users of hard drugs, and these events only took place in arenas, how would something in the streets sit with the police. Another example, Woodstock 2000. This is a music festival with a rich heritage in Peace and Love, but what happened, mass riots, arson, more than just a handful of rapes, and a couple dead. Something like that is going to be on any promoters mind.

I do agree that dance culture isnt take seriously here, for the most part its seen as a crime because of the chance occurance of ODs that make it to the news and the fact that its not something that is played on the radio or MTV. Its something that will come in time though. Ive seen my local vinyl shop getting more and more business and we finally have a local radio station that plays only dance (trance, prog, house....) and even has live shows on the weekends. And this is in Chicago. Imagine how hard it will be for North Dakota to get something like that. (No offense to ND).

It kinda hurts to see big name producers to work with Nsync, but hey it gets them, the culture, and our cause more exposure, and with that more acceptance. And thats all its really about right, spreading the music?

Meta

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When I listen to Judge Jules live @ Qontact, PVD live from Home, I WISH I WAS RIGHT THERE!!!

The thing is there are DJ's here in the US who CRAVE to play trance, but say 'No one is ready for it...' --Especially is smaller cities...

These same people listen to shit music that is top 40, or that crap from the 70's disco or something...

...blah.

IF I had the money, I would LOVE to open a club here where I live and then spread the club as a franchise, enabling security, media coverage and all that to advertise... hehe, but no investors.

Anyway, if THE MEDIA here in US will start using more trance type music in their ads (I notice some do alot with techno type music) then people get into it....

Also, I know people listen to the crap hip hop shit these days, in which I dont care for and TOO SLOW.... I used to listen to hip hop and soul back in my days when it was real music talking about goals and stuff like that... These days its talking, killing people and all that no nonsense...

Anyway, ever time I download a live set or single, I spread it out amoungst my friends and they do the same... Infecting everybody with trance type music. I rememeber my daughter once asked:
Daddy why do you listen to music with no or little singing? (shes 11)

Then I replied: Reasons were 1)It doesnt remind me of some love I had once before, so I wont get depressed with a song I remember from someone... like those top 40 crybaby music 2)you can work out to it 3)puts you in a energetic mood, keeps you from being lazy 4)gives you a WAY better positive behavior-- even IF your worse day has appeared...

Anyway, to make a long story longer.... TRANCE in the US is here, underground yes, but infectors like me are making sure its peeking above ground... I already have my friends and some of theres- converted....

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i think it has to do with alot about our culture... our culture is very "set " in its ways... and people here have a hard time with change. "If its not broke why fix it"... thats the motto of the US. Also there are a shit load of laws everywhere against the scene in North America. Here in central fl/ orlando... there is a no raving law. Raves arent allow , they are illegal.They are considered "music festivals" Glow sticks are considered paraphenilia aka "drug paraphenilia". most glowsticks are only allowed in afterhours clubs.... which consists of 1 club. And maybe a few clubs here and there.. but not in the major clubs. I hate to say it .. but the scene as it is in Europe will never be like that here. Unless people start to vote against these types of laws and do and say what they believe in. I think the most important part is that people have also abused the scene. Such as drug wise.. focusing on beanz aka Xtacy. Some dumbasses out there.. go and take the shit die and we get blamed for it.. and because they did it at a rave or a club... "ITS BAD!!!!!" The people who normally take the shit and overdose have no idea as to what the scene is about .. and why it came about. they just think because they know who Paul Van Dyk is and Oakie... then they know the scene.. little do they know that it goes way far back than that. And unfortunately those are the people that has ruined our chance of becoming like the rest of the world in the electronica/techno/trance scene.

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I agree!

If I mention it then that person goes

er....uh... YEAH! I know PVD, Paul O, but have you heard of DJ Skribble and some other "top 40 well known" DJ...

When I mention Armiin Van Buuren or VDM, or maybe the ones WE already know they are like: Are they like PVD? Paul O? Or how about the 3 Bad DJs?

HA!

US is TOO conservative.... Then again we have SO MANY cultures here crammed into one small ass country, but we all seem to listen to BRitney or backstreet bozos, and we're scared when something happens in OUR backyard.... Plus we're all in this hip hop stage right now... The same ole grind dancing (with peeps who CANT dance)

Thats why we need to introduce by the people who already know, already DJ, already making demos, and introducing it to the media... and the other parts of USA.

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I think were all coming to the same conclusion, it's bacically just the American mentality that kills the dance music scene. Until that changes I wouldn't hold my breath for any national events, just be happy your local scenes are growing.

Or you can take my chosen route and move to England. (HA HA)

I think Thor pretty much nailed it. Here in the U.S. it's pretty much been the big record companies telling us what we are going to listen to...when it should be the other way around. But, they're really only in it for one reason...$$$$...They really don't know dick , nor do they really care about the music. Is it sellable. that's their main concern and it seems like when they find something that sells good, they tend to stick with just that and run it into the ground. So what we end up getting is instead of a wide variety of music on the radio, we get the same few songs played every 5 minutes...over and over and over. This really does suck. I also think that the reason we don't see any big events like Loveparade, here is because of the ongoing attempt by the ones in charge, to outlaw fun. Whenever you threaten to have a good time, there are about a gazillion specialty groups that want to put a stop to it before it even begins. This whole bullshit "war on drugs" thing plays a major part in that. Because of paranoid government and religous groups, a "Loveparade" here in the states would be nothing short of a miracle.